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(anupam kher): good evening, namaskar. it’s very rarely that an actor is called to have a conversation with a mystic guru people find it, ‘why an actor?’ well, i’m a seeker of truth, i’m a seeker of the mysteries of life, apart from that i am pallavi is a very dear friend; we know each other for a long time

and when i read this book, few days back, i was very intrigued that she has sorted out her life. i hope so. sadhguru has a very mischievous laughter to that that he thinks that she thinks that she has sorted her life. so before i go further

i would like to read few lines from her preface which sort of made me very intrigued about this. it’s a… two page but i’m reading three paragraphs. sadhguru once asked me if there was anyone who could manage me? perhaps he asked me this to make me see that some of my tendencies were stubborn and self-harming. in spite of such a glorious exposure to the spiritual dimension of life.

i clearly remember wanting to keep quiet but suddenly in the silence that built inside me following this question came a realization in the form of an answer and instead i found myself saying one word 'you' for it was he who had managed me in a way that i could think clearly and live without fear. it was he who had managed to make me laugh at myself and make me cry at the stillness of the sky. it was he who had me experience patches of bliss spread into pastures.... but most importantly it was he who had made me to go beyond myself through yoga and helped me to find in my broken body a tremendous spiritual opportunity. i was driven to write this book as the pictorial testimony to sadhguru's spiritual possibility in our lives

i have often stopped to question myself if i could even come close to expressing the potential of his extraordinary life in printed pages. but considering the human condition on this planet i had little choice but to try. after all if there is one thing that lends complete sense to living it is a spiritual experience. it is what makes a human seek the truth of life may these pages lead you to a step closer to it. this is what pallavi feels. for our overseas people who are watching this on web, this is me anupam kher in conversation with sadhguru.

(sadhguru): i haven’t spoken yet. (anupam kher): you haven’t spoken and i am also delaying it because... because my wife is stuck in the traffic. i have to go back to home with her and she says, ‘if you start without me, don’t come back home.’ so… and i’m looking for the paper that i had written my questions on and some money will come out. okay. you see i must clarify beforehand that

my questions do not need to necessarily make me how to be an intelligent man. i don’t want to be intelligent or to be taken so seriously; that… that’s sadhguru’s responsibility to answer them. my questions will have the curiosity of a child who wants to sort of know – maybe i’m representing all of you. my questions will have sometimes the stupidity of and naivety of a person who is asking a question

which may not be of the caliber that the sadhguru is used to. but i don’t mind making a fool of myself as long as i get some answers. (sadhguru): no, you are... you are in a very advantageous position. that is because there can be nothing wrong with a question. only answers are a problem. (anupam kher): okay. (applause) (sadhguru): so it’s advantaged you in the very beginning. (anupam kher): great. let’s start with my first question

which is i am very curious. why do mystical spiritual gurus have to grow a beard? (laughter) (sadhguru): oh just because you lost your hair. (laughter & applause) (anupam kher): my wife read your book (sadhguru): i didn’t answer the question. (anupam kher): no, my wife read your book and she said what an attractive man. how do you deal with female adulation?

(sadhguru): that’s why i covered myself. (anupam kher): no, no. i’m curious to know. (sadhguru): the thing is, this is a very human ailment that all the time we have to recognize people by their gender. no other creature has this problem. all other creatures on the planet when their hormones rise, they know who is female, who is male;

otherwise they’re just there. human beings have got this ailment, twenty-four hours, three hundred and sixty-five days they can’t think of anything other than body parts. (laughter) so i don’t see any females or males, i just see wonderful people, so i have no issues. there is a very intriguing people make these great prophecies about world coming to an end etcetera.

will the world come to an end in 2012? (sadhguru): so all those people who firmly believe that the world is going to come to an end the coming year what date, do they know? (anupam kher): we are in september 20… oh (sadhguru): no, no, do they know what date it’ll come to an end? (anupam kher): no, no date mentioned. there was a date mentioned last year,

we’ve crossed that, thank god. (sadhguru): okay, so what i would tell them is we have lot of work to do, i have lots of work to do. 2013 first january, because anyway 2012 the world is going to end, on 2013, first january, all your wealth and money and everything, please write it to isha foundation,

there is work to do. (laughter & applause)) the world is anyway going to end, what are you going to do with your money? so they… they for them this is just an entertainment. they don’t believe enough to give away everything and get ready. they just want to play with it. all vain minds are always looking at prophecies;

they are looking at predictions because they don’t have a plan for their life. those who are incapable of making plans, always fall back on predictions and prophecies. (anupam kher): yeah but… i’ll just request to give me two percent of that money that goes to your or foundation. why have you named your foundation, ‘isha foundation’ i have no idea.

(sadhguru): the name you mean? (anupam kher): the name ‘isha foundation’. (sadhguru): the word ‘isha’ literally means that which is in-charge or that which is the source of creation or un-manifest or formless divinity is referred to as isha. if you give it a form it becomes ishwar. so the yogic system is not looking at form. we are not against forms, we can use forms as a part of our growth

but essentially the existence, the whole existence if you look at it, not a single piece of creation, not a single atom in the existence can happen without the hand of the creator in it. so the forms are there. every form can be seen as divine but essentially it is formless. so to attain to that –

the yoga is the method to attain to that. so right now as you sit here, this very body was created from within, so the source of creation is very much within you. so to attain to that state is the fundamental goal, so it is isha yoga and isha foundation. (anupam kher) : okay. do you pray? (sadhguru): till now i haven’t. i’ve not had the need to pray.

(anupam kher): so do you believe that there is a god? (sadhguru): let’s come to this. before we handle god, let’s handle belief first. why do you believe something? one believes something because they are not sincere enough to admit that they do not know. there’re only two ways to be, either you know something

or you do not know something. but whatever you do not know when you bullshit yourself, it’s called as belief. instead of simply admitting i do not know you want to believe something. somebody believes there is god, somebody believes there is no god, both are in the same boat.

they think they are different but both of them are not straight enough to admit that they do not know. what is the problem in seeing what i do not know as i do not know? they have a problem because they do not understand the immensity of, ‘i do not know.’ ‘i do not know,’ is a tremendous possibility. only if you see, ‘i do not know,’

the possibility of knowing arises within you. if you see, ‘i do not know,’ the longing to know will come. if the longing comes, seeking will come. if seeking comes the possibility is alive in your life. everything that you do not know if you believe you’re destroying the very possibility of knowing. so coming to god, there are various kinds of beliefs across the world.

it’s like this. there were two young boys, very energetic. when young boys are very energetic they tend to be constantly in trouble you know. so these two kids are always in trouble, two brothers. the parents are very embarrassed that the whole neighborhood is discussing their children.

they want to fix them. it’s easy to reproduce but you don’t know how to fix your children, do you? so they decided to take them to the local parish priest. they decided to take the younger boy first because together they are strong. they took the young boy, made him sit in the priest’s office and they left.

the priest walked in, with his long robes he walked up and down creating the necessary drama. you understand! because drama is needed for effect. (anupam kher): absolutely! (sadhguru): so he was setting up (anupam kher): we are on the stage (sadhguru): yes.

he was setting up the situation and the little boy who was doing the ping pong act watching the priest moving around and in mid-stride he worked out a strategy, ‘if i remind this little fellow that god is within him, all his mischief will go.’ this is the whole problem. people who have never raised children they have fabulous ideas about how to do it.

people who have raised children they know no damn idea works. if you have the love and commitment you wait out the problems, otherwise you suffer. that’s all there is. (anupam kher): i… but i think maybe when people are enlightened they don’t think that there is a god existing. (sadhguru): no, no. (anupam kher); there are people who are not enlightened.

there are people who… who… who don’t have enough money to sort of they have to depend on somebody. they say that (sadhguru): i will come. let me finish the joke. (anupam kher); sorry? (sadhguru); let me finish the joke. (laughter) (anupam kher): okay. my problem is that i can’t hear you what you’re saying. there is something with the speaker.

(sadhguru): so the priest worked out a strategy how to get the mischief out of this boy. he thought if he reminds him god is within him, all the mischief will go. so he stopped mid-stride and in a booming voice he said, ‘where is god?’ the boy looked bewildered, looked all over the office

because if god is, he must be somewhere in the priest’s office so then the priest saw the boy is not getting the point. so he leaned on the table, he wants to give him a clue. so pointing at the boy, he asked, the boy looked even more bewildered and looked under the table. then the priest thought,

‘okay he is not getting it,’ he wants to give him a proper clue. so he walked around the table, came to the boy, tapping on the little boy’s chest, he asked, he’s telling him it’s here. the boy just got up and bolted out of the room, ran to the place where his elder brother was and he said, ‘we are in real trouble.’ the brother asked, ‘why, what happened?’

he said, ‘they lost their god and they think we did it.’ (laughter & applause) so there are belief systems and belief systems and belief systems but at the same time the idea of god is universal. why this has come is, see the moment you’re born you look around, there is so much creation.

you need an explanation. so you look at your mother thinking if she could have done it. well, she delivered you but she can’t do the planet you know. you look at your father, he doesn’t look like that. you look at many other adults, they don’t look like that.

so you need an answer. you ask somebody who is little larger than you. instantly they say, ‘there is somebody up there who is doing all this.’ but see we are sitting in a round planet, aren’t we? are we? we are sitting in a round planet, not even on the north pole at a certain latitude and the planet is spinning,

if you look up you obviously look up in the wrong direction. every time you thought ooperwala and looked up, you’re completely looking in the wrong direction, i don’t know how many prayers went waste like this. but at the same time, there is creation. there is something, which is the source of creation. because we are not able to nail it as to what it is, because we are human, we give it a human form.

if we were buffaloes i am sure we would have thought it’s a big buffalo for sure. because we are human we think it is a big man or a big woman or whatever. so it is perfectly all right for people to create a god. this is the thing about this culture. here we have thirty-three millions gods and goddesses, because this is the only culture which understood god is our making. there is something called as ishta devata.

you can create your own god today. if you don… if you can look at all the existing gods, if you don’t like them, you can make your god, a tree in your garden, a rock in your garden, your mother, your wife, anybody you want, or whatever you want. you like this vessel you can make this your god. nobody thinks anything weird about it in this country because we understand this is our making.

after all in every piece of creation the hand of the creator is there. whatever you can relate to you use that, it’s perfectly fine. (anupam kher): yeah, that’s why we worship stones. we… we (sadhguru): no, we don’t worship stones. we worship the source of creation in the stone, which is a piece of creation. (anupam kher): yeah, we also want to have the i don’t want to argue on this so do you think all our epics,

mahabharath, ramayan, shankar, ram, sita they are fake? (sadhguru):no, they have a historicity. there are buildings to prove that they were there, it’s still in dispute. the dispute is on means they were definitely there, isn't it? (anupam kher): okay. kiranji namaskar no, i will still want to probe a little further on this topic.

we have major mandir, masjid issue, ayodhya issue etcetera, etcetera. we a’re still fighting about that. so why is all that fighting and fighting going on, if there is no god or if there is a belief? (sadhguru): i did not say that. (anupam kher): no, you said there is a belief; people needed somebody as a belief of god. (sadhguru): yes, all the... all the fight in the world is not between good and evil as people project it to be.

all the fight in the world is between one man’s belief versus another man’s belief. if you saw, ‘i really do not know,’ you wouldn’t fight with anybody. because you believe one thing and somebody believes something else, you’re invariably going to fight today or tomorrow. it’s just a question of if you can manage them for sometime. some day it’ll spill out on the street.

so it is time… see, there is a... there was a time when people worked with the instrument of belief when the human intellect was in a certain way. today it is time - there is substantial intellect on the planet – today it is time that we establish a certain level of seeking in a human being rather than just pumping him up with belief. (anupam kher): why do people believe you?

(sadhguru): who said they believe me? (anupam kher): this is a huge full house. everybody is clapping (sadhguru): no, no, they’re looking they’re sitting there evaluating every word that i say. i don’t think they believe whatever i say. (applause) to me they look smart enough to understand and evaluate. (anupam kher): i have performed in this auditorium, it’s never been so full.

(laughter) so there has to be something, in their belief in you, which makes them look up at you. why do they trust you, why do they believe in you so much? (sadhguru): no, let’s take off the word ‘belief.’ yes, they trust me. (anupam kher): okay, my word maybe different

but i think it is belief. do you think it is belief also? no… yes okay, just a minute. people who think over here that you have full belief in sadhguru, raise your hands. there are some people, okay. okay, kiranji is also one of them. do you think that sadhguru has powers which you don’t have? yes.

(sadhguru): they can’t ride a motorcycle like me, i’m sure. (anupam kher): what are those powers? what makes you different? what makes you special? what makes you… what makes pallavi gupta writing a book when you went calling it, ‘you.’ what makes her change her life? what makes people over here, so many people i know who will not come to a function like this,

they are here and they are here on time. what is it in you that makes you different? (sadhguru): because they know if they don’t come on time, i won’t let them in. (anupam kher): but they dare not do that. so what makes you different? also i read in the book that at the age of nine or ten, you did you wanted to find out things, you caught hold of snakes,

you went into the darkness. you went into the cycle and you wanted to see whether the cycle you fall down from a ditch. today if any ten-year-old child will start doing, he says, ‘i am going to ape sadhguru because he did that,’ i don’t think any of the mothers are going to let you let them do that. so what is it which is so special about you? (sadhguru): it is not special,

it is just that… you know there was time when we were promoting isha yoga, we used to print a brochure and it said, ‘ordinary to extraordinary.’ so they come, day one, day two, day three and we are teaching them some basic fundamentals of their life that they have missed for sure, simple things. and then they ask, ‘sadhguru, you said we will become extraordinary,

we thought we wi’ll become extraordinary, or we will become special.’ i said, ‘i never said you will become special, i said you will become extra-ordinary, more ordinary than others.’ everybody is desperately trying to be special, when you don’t try to be special, when you just live as life is, that you don’t try to make yourself special,

because wanting to be special is coming from a certain an emptiness, or a certain inadequacy within a human being. where is the need to be special? every human being is unique in his own way. if he tries to be special he’ll only end up aping somebody, he will not be himself. so when the life is unique, every leaf on the planet is unique,

every atom in the existence is unique, where is the need for you to be special. being unique is better than being special, isn't it? so, what is different? it is not a question of something being different, it is just this see, the very nature of the existence is like this; the very nature of what’s happening around you is like this. if you convert food, i mean if you convert mud into food we call this agriculture.

it’s the same mud, can you eat the mud? can you take it on your plate and eat it? no. but if you wait, you put a seed and wait, the same mud becomes food and how we value it and eat it. but it is something else. but when you eat it, it becomes flesh and bone, it becomes you and it’s so valuable for you and so many other people.

so this is the way of the life, what is filth will become a flower if only you mature it in the right direction. this flower, its beauty and its fragrance comes from filth. the more filth you put at the root, better the flowers will grow. so the question is not about what is different, the question is not about what is special, the question is just about will you allow yourself to mature

or will you let yourself just roll in filth. (anupam kher): you have not yet answered my question. i feel that it’s important for me to know. (sadhguru): yes, right now (anupam kher): what is unique about you? what you said is fantastic because that’s what we all know i think (sadhguru): no, why is it that we ha’ve kept the flowers here not a lump of earth, simply because it’s the same thing but it’s flowered, that’s why you keep it here.

that’s all with me. (anupam kher): so you do admit that you are special? (sadhguru): i’ve flowered not special. (anupam kher): okay, i mean let’s not go by the words. you are..... … others are still waiting, they’re not so when did you feel that you were different, unique, special, whatever word you want to choose? when did you feel, at what stage of your life you felt that you wanted to share what you

your knowledge with the people and when did you feel that you want to tell the people that there is something ordinary and there is something extra-ordinary? (sadhguru): see, it’s like this. when i was three and-a-half, four years of age, i realized one thing that i do not know anything. i just do not know anything to such an extent if somebody gives me a glass of water

i keep staring at this water for three, four hours at a stretch. if i find a leaf i am looking at it for six, seven hours at a stretch. if i sit up in the bed, staring at the darkness, i sit like this the whole night. now what is happening with me is just this, we i do not know what water is. i know that if i drink it it’ll quench my thirst, but even today, do you know what water really is? you do not know.

with all this science have we understood even a single atom of creation in its entirety? we have not. so if i look at the water, i still do not know this, so i did not know how to shift my attention to something else, i would just be stuck with this. in this condition they sent me to school. (anupam kher): yes, i read that quote of about you going to the school.

(sadhguru): so i went and stared paying absolute attention to the teachers, the kind of attention nobody would have paid them, total attention. initially i heard their words; i understood what they were saying. after some time i realized they were only making sounds i was making up the meanings in my head. even now i am only making sounds

because you assume you know english language you are making up the meanings, isn't it? (anupam kher): i am trying to. (laughs) (sadhguru): if i suddenly speak in tamil or telugu or something you will... i would be just making sounds as far as you’re concerned. so once i realized that they are only making sounds, i am making up the meanings, i stopped making meanings.

i just looked at them. suddenly the whole thing became so amusing, somebody going on making noises. so a big smile spread on my face, they were not amused. so after some time i wouldn’t even hear the sounds, i would just see all kinds of, you know, things reverberations happening around the teacher, after some time i wouldn’t even see them, i wouldn’t know that they exist but i would be still staring.

so my schooling passed like this. so about two years ago, two and-a-half years ago, this school where i studied over four decades ago, they came to invite me for their one hundred and twenty-fifth anniversary. they were inviting all the prominent alumni of the school so they came and invited me. i said, ‘see, why me?’ because i was not just a not good student, i was not even a student.

i only went there when it was really necessary. so they said, ‘no, our school has produced union ministers, our school has produced film stars, our school has produced cricket stars, you are the only mystic you have to come.’ so i went. so i went and stood up in the quadrangle to speak, the same oppressive buildings and i looked at these classrooms suddenly this came to my memory.

i was eleven or twelve years of age, as usual i was paying absolute attention to the teacher but i don’t hear a word of what he says. so teacher is trying to get a response from me. thirty-five, forty minutes he tried very hard, he couldn’t get a word out of me because i don’t hear what he is saying. then he held me by the shoulder, shook me violently and said,

‘you must either be the divine or the devil. i think you are the later. so till then my problem was, ‘what is this, what is that, what is that, what is this?’ i knew nothing but there was one constant, this is me this was clear. suddenly this guy confused me, ‘is this divine, is this devil, what the hell is this?’ so i tried to stare at this. i couldn’t so i closed my eyes and sat.

when i just sat there staring my dear father being a physician, he started thinking i need psychiatric evaluation. so the moment i closed my eyes and sat the same people who thought i need psychiatric evaluation started saying, ‘he is becoming a yogi.’ i’m telling you the secret. (sadhguru): i was staring at somebody, they thought i need psychiatric evaluation;

i was staring at something or somebody. the moment i start staring at myself they said, ‘he is a yogi.’ so i started staring at myself with my eyes closed looking, looking, looking for hours on end, days on end, then you know i got into my youth and so many things happened, finished my university somehow and got into a business and one afternoon –

i come from mysore where at least at that time the tradition was like this, if we want to test our motorcycles we ride up chamundi hill. you’ve been there? (anupam kher): yes. (sadhguru): if you want to trek, we go up chamundi hill. if you want to have a party we go up chamundi hill. if we fall in love, we go up chamundi hill. if you fall out, you have to go.

if you have something to do, you have to go up chamundi hill. if you have nothing to do, that’s the place. so one afternoon i had nothing to do, so i rode up chamundi hill, parked my vehicle there and climbed up to a place – i know this place, the whole hill very, very well. so i sat on a rock, my eyes were open.

i did not even close my eyes. till that moment i always thought, ‘this is me, that is somebody else.’ i’ve no issue with that somebody; but this is me, that’s somebody else. suddenly i did not know which is me and which is not me. what was me was just all over the place. the very air that i breathe, the rock that i sit on, the atmosphere around me, just everything was me. i thought this madness lasted for about five, ten minutes

but when i came back to my normal senses four and-a-half hours had passed. for the very first time in my adult life, tears were flowing. me and tears were impossible. i lived like this. my shirt is wet - to that extent tears are flowing. i’ve always been happy and peaceful, that’s never been a issue but every cell in my body was bursting with ecstasy.

i did not know what hit me. when i shake my skeptical head and try to figure what’s happening; the only thing that my mind could tell me is maybe i’m going off my rocker. the closest friends around me, when i said, ‘something is happening to me, look at me,’ they said, ‘what did you drink, what did you take?’ this is all they could ask.

so i did not know what i hit, i did not know what happened to me, all i knew is i’ve hit a gold mine i don’t want to lose it. so if i sat down, i would be just simply dripping ecstasy like this to a point, i think it’s two minutes, seven hours eight hours have gone. once i sat down like this and i thought it’s twenty-five, thirty minutes and when i opened my eyes,

there were garlands around me, people pulling my legs, you know indian tradition and somebody asking how to do his business, somebody asking when his daughters will get married. and i thought, ‘what happened, where did these people come from?’ i’ve been sitting there for thirteen days. i thought it’s twenty-five, thirty minutes. oh!

because i just lost sense of time. if i sit like this, time just flies off. you must know this, every human being knows this by their experience, see on a particular day if you were extremely happy that day just flies like a moment. (anupam kher): correct, absolutely. (sadhguru): if you are depressed, one day flies like an eon, isn't it? so you are absolutely ecstatic

you will see hours and days will slip like moments you won’t know any sense of time and body will not know, mind will not know. it’s just only people around you know that time has passed but you just have no consciousness about time. so then i thought, ‘it’s so simple if i sit here, i’m bursting in ecstasy, what’s the problem? i’m going to rub it off on the whole world.’ it’s thirty years now. next year, 2012, it’s going to be thirty years

and see, i became like this. still people are attached to their misery, they haven’t given it up. we have touched a few million people. today i can say there are few million people if they close their eyes, tears of ecstasy will flow out of them every day, they are like that, millions of them. but millions are not still the world. so as a part of this, now i decided

if people don’t want to live in ecstasy at least let them die in peace. so we brought in another level of spiritual process, very simple that everybody can do – one drop spirituality for everybody, at least it’ll let them die in peace. (anupam kher): how do you that’s a wonderful story what you just spoke about tears. how do you explain

if you have to explain spirituality to a common man who does not und…, how do you explain what is it being spiritual? (sadhguru): see, what is physical about you, you gathered, isn't it? you gathered over a period of time. what you gather can be yours. i’ll not dispute that now but it can never ever be you, isn't it?

(anupam kher): okay, if you can simplify that for me (sadhguru): see right now as i am speaking i take this vessel and say, ‘this is my vessel,’ all of them will think, ‘oh sadhguru has got a problem.’ but you know i have a reputation of being wise, so they will wait. ‘let’s see.’ but after some time i say, ‘this is me,’ then they’ll say, ‘let’s go,’ because this is a clear sign of insanity. this is happening to you everyday.

see, now that water is that you? (anupam kher): i feel like doing this. (sadhguru): that water, it’s not you but you drink it and it becomes you, isn't it? so what is not you is becoming you. what is not you cannot become you. you believe it’s become you. (anupam kher): okay. how many

sorry, you were about to say something (sadhguru): no what you gather you can claim, ‘it’s mine,’ but if you say, ‘it’s me,’ it amounts to madness, isn't it? if i say, ‘this vessel is me,’ it amounts to madness. this vessel also was dug out of this planet; this also was dug out of this planet, isn't it? but you saying, ‘this is me,’ is it any better than me saying, ‘this is me?’

it’s not any better. it’s just that because we are in a democracy the majority is with you so you win. (anupam kher): correct absolutely. why are people unhappy? hmm? (sadhguru): people are unhappy because they’ve not taken charge of the fundamental instruments of life

that’s given to them. see, your system is made in such a way; this is the most sophisticated machine on the planet. yes? human mechanism is the most sophisticated complex machine on the planet. this is the gadget. people have not paid any attention to it. if you… you know the… it seems the cell-phone companies in the country

did a survey two years ago and they found – at least one company did i think – they found most people are using only seven percent of the capabilities of an ordinary cell-phone. i’m not talking about a smart phone that you’re using, the dumb phone they’re using only seven percent of that. if you are using only seven percent of an average phone, this gadget which produces that gadget, what you think is the percentage that you’re using?

it’s way below one percent, i am telling you. what it means to be human has not even been attended to; people have not even looked at it. they’re just busy wanting to become something, not realizing who they are. when the very source of creation is throbbing within you there is an intelligence here; there is a competence here

that if you give it a piece of bread, it’ll transform it into a sophisticated machine. when such an intelligence exists within you, when such a competence exists within you, what the hell are you trying to become? if even a drop of this intelligence enters your daily life, you will live magically, not miserably. so misery is not a product of mumbai.

the misery-manufacturing machine is not in mumbai, the manufacturing unit is in human mind because they have not made any attempt to understand how it works. they have not paid any attention. they are paying attention to everything around them, not to this one; but this is the greatest happening right now, isn't it? the greatest happening in your life is

that you are alive and throbbing right now. isn't this the greatest thing? everything else is secondary, isn't it? (anupam kher): i completely believe you. you see in greek theatre, they said that faith kismet played very important role in your tragedy but in modern tragedy they say human beings are responsible themselves for tragedy. (sadhguru): there’s nothing modern about it.

in this culture we always said your life is your karma. when we said your life is your karma, what it means is – karma means action. whose action? my action. so when i say life is your karma, we are saying your life is your doing. this is the only place on the planet where we have always told you your life is your making.

your life is not god’s making, your life is your making. when we say it is your karma, we’re clearly, clearly telling you your life is your making. so right now your experience of life, whether you experience joy or misery, it happens from within you, isn't it? at least what happens within you, must be determined by you, isn't it?

what happens around you, too many people are there, you have to take their help but what happens within you must be determined by you. if you are miserable what it means is even what happens within you is enslaved to something around you and people think it’s normal. it’s not normal,

it’s just insane. only thing is you gathered numbers, do you understand? you gathered numbers in an asylum the insane people look right. they are right, isn't it? see, it is all happening from within you – both misery and joy happening from within you. if it’s happening from within you, why is what you want not happening?

if what you wanted happened to you, would you choose misery or ecstasy, i’m asking you? (anupam kher): ecstasy. (sadhguru): for sure. pleasantness or unpleasantness? utmost pleasantness at least for yourself. what you want for your neighbor maybe debatable. what you want for yourself is the highest level of pleasantness, isn't it? if it’s not happening it is not because of this and that.

it is just that your body is not taking instructions from you, your mind is not taking instructions from you, your emotions are not taking instructions from you, nothing in this is taking instructions from you. when you, ‘this is my body,’ it is supposed to take instructions from you. when you say, ‘this is my mind,’ it’s supposed to take instructions from you. can i tell you a joke?

you are getting very serious. (anupam kher): please, please. (sadhguru): on a certain day shankaran pillai went to the bar to drink with his friends. he just thought he’ll just have one shot and go home but you know once they have a little bit of drink they become timeless like yogis so a few drinks happened, then he looked at the watch like this it was 2:00 am

but the wife’s rule at home is 8:00 pm, he must be home. it’s 2:00 am. he got really disturbed and he wanted to rush back home. so he thought he’ll find a shortcut and started running through somebody’s garden and because of unknown terrain and also all the things inside, he flipped over and fell into a rosebush face down, got all scratched up, somehow

found his way to the house. it took another twenty minutes to find the keyhole, he’s found that and just slowly crawled up and went into the bathroom and looked at himself, he looked a true mess. so he opened the medicine cabinet

and wiped himself, took band-aid fixed himself, then slowly crawled into the bed and slept. morning eight o’clock the wife brought a bucket full of cold water, threw it on him and asked him to wake up. he got up. she said, ‘you fool, once again drinking.’ he said, ‘no honey, since i promised you six months ago,

i haven’t touched a drop.’ she held him by the shirt, dragged him into the bathroom and showed him, all the band-aid was on the mirror. now this is attitude people are taking. right now if this is feeling unpleasant you want to fix that one. no, no, no, if this is feeling unpleasant

you need to fix this one, not that one. (applause) (anupam kher): there is a beautiful shayari on this what you narrated just now. it’s… i must share this with you. (speaks in hindi) (anupam kher): thank god, he admitted some things he does not understand. (sadhguru): it’s the language not the poetry. (anupam kher): i feel very proud to be an indian and i’m sure lot of people feel,

but corruption bothers me and i'm sure you also spoke about it. how… do you think spirituality can help get rid of corruption to some extent? (sadhguru): see let's understand this corruption because it’s… it’s a very important thing that everybody understands this properly in its right perspective rather than reacting against a bunch of people

who are in an advantageous position, okay? why i want you to understand this is, because for the first time in the history of independent india, these sixty four years, that means two generations of people, they have at least fifty to sixty percent of them have had such a bad deal. today you and me will talk all this and go home and eat well. there’s a whole bunch of people,almost four hundred million people who cannot do that.

so if we handle the next five to ten years right, we can change that. it’s a tremendous possibility which is on our threshold. there’s an economic possibility sitting on the threshold. if we conduct this right, we can change their lives, those people who have not eaten properly, those childldren who are malnourished which is of the highest level of malnourishment, those who are not educated, those who don’t have opportunities, those who are in that horrible social and economic pit, their lives can change in the next five to ten years if we conduct our act right every indian should understand this –

it is not just about economy means stock market, it is about hungry people who will have food on their plate. economy does not mean stock market. economy does not mean foreign cars coming into india. economy does not mean you wear better clothes or this and that. improving economy means there will be no hungry children in the country, which is something all of us should do something about (applause) and that possibility… that possibility is being jeopardized.

wherever i go i speak to various economic and political leaders around the world – everybody says, ‘we want to come to india. india is a big possibility, but the humiliation of corruption, we can’t bear it.’ because it’s not just about money. they’re willing to pay a percentage and get the work done, but the humiliation that they’re put through on a daily basis, which we have gotten used to, they’re not willing to go through that, they said, ‘it doesn’t matter if we don’t do business, ’ but we don’t want to come there and go through all that rubbish. so this possibility is being jeopardized by a handful of people,

or it is wrong to say it’s a handful of people –it’s a nation-full of corruption, because how many people in mumbai streets, if there is no policemen, will stop at the red light? i think only ten percent will stop. so these ninety percent are corrupt people. if they make if you make them the chief ministers and prime ministers you know what they will do. (applause) so instead of just calling it by one bad word called ‘corruption’, we need to understand we as a society are

trying to move from a feudalistic way of managing our lives to a democratic way. the democratic way has still not sunk into us. suppose you become the chief minister of this state – your relatives and your friends will expect that you do something for them. if you’ve become the chief minister and you’re very strict and you will not yield to any nepotism, this, this, they will think, ‘what is this? he’s my brother, he became chief minister, look at him, he doesn’t look at me. he does not understand you’re being straight; you’re doing something for the country. so i’m saying in our psyche

we are still feudalistic in nature, but we are trying to run a democracy. democracy will not happen with an active sense of education as to what is democracy, what is the power of democracy, what it means, what is the responsibility of living in a democratic society – this has not been done, we just took democracy from the british and we think if they just put their vote and

get their fingers dirty once in five years, everything is settled. no, we have not educated people. we are still a feudalistic society acting to be democratic. so, many people, the corrupt people, very, very corrupt people in the country, i have met them, they are bewildered, ‘why are people upset, i’m only doing for my family!’

this is just a little bit of misunderstanding about einstein’s theory of relativity. you know, einstein said ‘everything is relative’, they misunderstood ‘relatives are everything.’ (anupam kher); let me… let me ask you a hypothetical question. suppose – hypothetical question, i must announce that before –

suppose you were made the prime minister of this country for one month, how will you change things? (sadhguru): see, there are enough instruments in the democratic process. making me or anybody a prime minister for one month is a cruel thing. (anupam kher): okay, for five years. (sadhguru); yes. (anupam kher): so you admit that one month is not sufficient? i understand.

(sadhguru): no, because one month is a very cruel joke. it doesn’t matter who who comes to power for one month, he can’t do anything in a nation as diverse as india. to get this nation moving you need to understand this – you cannot move this nation with policy, with rules. you can only move this nation

when anything that you want to achieve in this country you make it a movement. if you do not make it a movement, if people do not emotionally connect to that, no rules, no policy is going to work in this country. it is only people who have been implanted from somewhere, who have not grown up with indian people, who do not understand this. they think if you make a rule

everything is going to work. this is not switzerland – if you announce on the notice board everybody will follow. here you have to make a movement out of it; you have to make emotionally people connect emotionally to what needs to be achieved. if you’re not able to do that, nothing is ever going to happen.

so whoever becomes the prime minister, i don’t want to imagine myself there what do you think should be done? (sadhguru): it can be very easily done. there are examples of states which are going leaps and bounds ahead. if you saw bihar just ten years ago, it was just i have driven through bihar just wanting to see what bihar is – it was… it just looked like afghanistan,

large parts of it. today things are happening, wonderful things are happening, just one man. things are happening in gujarat, just one man. so can’t we produce twenty five men or women like that in this country for every state? are we so impotent that we cannot produce twenty five human beings with some integrity

who will do something straight for this nation? and today you don’t have to do much. india is sitting on a boom time, you just have to just manage a few things and let it happen, that’s all. you just have to see that economic process do not go out of control, you just have to manage that, you don’t have to do anything,

it’s boom time, the whole world is looking towards you. the only two economies everybody is banking on is right now china and india. india is better equipped because it’s a democracy, because all the numbers are scrutinized, but what is in china cannot be scrutinized, so many people are very suspicious and fearful,

because it’s supported by the government. india has a proper corporate structure, india has a reliable stock market, which is a reading. indian market is open, you can study what you want, you know where you’re putting your money, so definitely india would be a natural destination for every investor in the world, only thing is they’re afraid of our

(anupam kher): system (sadhguru): corruption, not the system. they like our system. our corruption (anupam kher): corrupt system. (sadhguru): system is not corrupt. (anupam kher): corruption. (sadhguru): corruption.

the reason… it’s the people who are manning it (anupam kher): he has a way of making me say things that he wants me to say. (sadhguru): no, no, the people who are manning it people who are manning it are the problem. (anupam kher): but how do we find them? you mentioned two states – you mentioned gujarat and you mentioned bihar and strangely they are not the states which we have in the center.

so how do we… are we politically corrupt politically completely bankrupt? how do we do that? means it’s a (sadhguru): no, no, no, it is… it is only because common people are not participating in the democratic process. participating in the democratic process does not just mean once in five years

you cast your vote – most people don’t even do that – but i’m saying even if you do that, that is not enough. democracy is an active sport; it’s not a spectator’s sport. you can’t sit back and say ‘let somebody do democracy.’ democracy means you are the boss, you can’t sleep on it, you have to be active to everything around you.

if you do not bring that consciousness in people, that awareness and activism in people, it’ll not work. at the same time, for everything you protest, for everything you call a bandh, for everything, you know, it’s our culture. people have understood the technology of how to stop the nation – bandh, hartaal – but how to run the nation, it’s a different technology.

if you want to become a neta (leader) tomorrow you don’t have to create anything, do you understand? all you have to do is – i’m sure you have enough fans in mumbai – take thousand people and block the sea link. it’s a new road, just block it, you will become a neta. you don’t have to build the sea link to become a neta. if you build you will be in lots of trouble.

if you block it, you are there. (anupam kher): i personally feel that i think we are to be blamed for getting the kind of leaders that we get. so you have millions of followers, or whatever you want to call them – you’ll suddenly say that ‘they're not my followers.’ you have millions of friends here, okay?

(sadhguru): you're treating me like trouble. (anupam kher): you have millions of people who like you, okay. let’s take a promise from them, that in the coming elections all of them will vote. (sadhguru): it is not that they have to make a promise – they already are doing it, nobody misses it. i myself go stand in the line and vote always.

(anupam kher): i'm not going to make it so easy for all of you. i on behalf of sadhguru (sadhguru): this crowd is largely your followers. (anupam kher): no, no, no, no, no, no! this crowd i have no followers. i have followers on twitter and they're four lakhs of people, which is very good. i have no followers; i don’t claim to have followers.

i want this and all those millions of people who are watching this in various parts of the world to make one promise on my behalf to sadhguru, that next coming elections they will all vote. is that a promise? (participants): yes! (anupam kher): so we have achieved (sadhguru): no, no, i'm not happy with that. (anupam kher): i am happy with that.

(sadhguru): i am saying i am saying, at least once a month in your street, in your region, whatever is the sticking points in your area, in your street, just make a list of that, get a few people together, whoever the councilor, the mla, call him for a meeting, talk to him what needs to happen. casting vote once in five years is not good enough, because you employ somebody and

you don’t see that he works – that is not doesn’t make sense, isn't it? (anupam kher): i grew up in these lower middle class family, small town, as a child i had a great sense of wonder about everything. i, till today, have a great sense of wonder, i am happy to be talking to you. it makes me feel very happy.

i don’t see that in today’s children. i don’t see a sense of wonder in today’s children. i think because they are (sadhguru): because they replaced the wonder with ‘www.’ (anupam kher): exactly, exactly that’s right! (sadhguru); they know the whole universe before they are six. (anupam kher): exactly that’s... how do… i am sure parents they know everything.

they just to have to press google and all the information but information does not necessarily translate into knowledge at all. so how do – and they always say this, ‘that’s the way i am!’ i don’t see my grandfather even at the age of eighty-four said, ‘ah that’s the way i am!’ so what is this, ‘ that’s the way i am,’ ‘bored,’ ‘dude,’ ‘cool’? i think that to be bad is being cool.

if you say, ‘i am a good man,’ he is a boring man. (sadhguru): usually they are. people who claim that they are good people usually they are boring. (anupam kher): yeah they are for the world, for the marketing part of it. that’s why you have a – if somebody says that – the breaking news after every fifteen minutes for millions of channels is never about good things.

it’s only about disaster, rape, swindling of money. we are marketing fear, we are becoming people who are constantly made to feel, suddenly in india also that we are living in a world which is not very, very peaceful, which is not to be which is a dangerous world, we are becoming, pardon my saying, like america, where we don’t look at somebody for a little longer.

i was in america two years back, i was looking at somebody thinking whether should i ask him my hotel – because in my hotel there was a mall, so i went into the mall, and when i came out i could not see my hotel because i must have got off from somewhere else. so i was looking at somebody to ask him whether should i ask him where my hotel is. so he said (sadhguru); ‘what are you staring at me?’

(anupam kher): ‘what are you staring at?’ i being an actor i said, ‘am i staring at you sir, i’m sorry, i did not know i was staring at you.’ poor fellow actually dropped me to my hotel. what my point is, how do you retain, how does one in today’s time in these times retain a certain amount of innocence, a certain amount of sense of wonder?

how does one do that? especially this is for parents whose children do not have that unfortunately. (sadhguru): see now there are two things you said, wonder and innocence. wonder does not necessarily come from innocence. see for example, science... modern science has done phenomenal amount of exploration. they’ve gone to places,

they’ve gone into things that we would have never thought possible, all kinds of things. when you were a child you definitely looked up at the sky, isn't it? (anupam kher): absolutely. (sadhguru): did you ever count the stars? (anupam kher): i used to do that in simla there was nothing to do. you tried.

(sadhguru); how far did you go? (anupam kher); oh, no, no, nothing i could not go beyond hundred or two hundred. (sadhguru); ahhh so i meticulously sat down on the terrace, counting, counting, counting, trying to make, you know, segments of the sky and trying to count, count count. i’ve gone up to seventeen hundred and then you get mixed up.

what was there is not there, what was not there has come. you know it gets all mixed up. but today - that itself was wonder, seventeen hundred just blew my mind – today scientists are telling you there are over hundred billion galaxies, not stars, hundred billion galaxies. so as you explore, as you know the wonder will increase

because you realize the nature of the existence, then wonder will just explode. scientists are so freaked now, they... they don’t know where to go, which direction to go because wherever they look it is looking deeper and deeper than ever it was. something as simple - you know just on your facial skin right now there are eighteen billion organisms?

do you know this? don’t imagine them, they are actually there. but you can’t see them, that’s good. i am saying as we look closer at life, it’s just exploding into wonder. so wonder is gone not because of lack of innocence or because of innocence, because what we call as knowledge – stupid conclusions about life.

nobody is… today people are carrying their attention deficiency like a qualification. see existence will yield to you only if you pay attention to something. anything in this existence will yield to you only if you pay substantial attention to it. but now people have become like this, they can’t look at anything, everything is chuk chuk chuk chuk. now in this condition there will be no wonder,

only conclusions in your head. there is no perception, there is only, you know monologues going on in your head, there is no perception. if there is perception all noise in your head will just stop. if you’re looking at something absolutely beautiful and engaging everything stops. why people are enjoying your cinema is just this, you switch off the lights, they’re focused on the thing

for those whatever few minutes or ninety minutes or whatever, their usual monologues are gone, something else is happening. they don’t know what’s the next scene or whatever which keeps them on. but the important thing is their attention is engaged continuously, which makes them feel something has happened to them today going to the cinema hall.

if you just keep the lights on, you will see cinema will not be effective. or if somebody is talking to them, it’ll not be effective. they just sit there like this it is the attention which is making the difference, it is not what play... what’s playing on the screen. it is what is playing on the screen is instrumental in grabbing the attention but it is the attention,

continuous attention which is making the experience of being there. so this is a rudimentary form of meditation. it’s called dharana, that you (anupam kher): yes, that’s… it’s mentioned in the seven different forms. so how does one in today’s time retain that attention span? (sadhguru): one simple thing is i mean if i say yoga, that’ll be a bad thing because it's like i am promoting it

no everybody must do something about themselves. every child, every school should bring this dimension that a child is required to pay attention to something continuously. it could be music; it could be dance. see you cannot do music or dance unless you pay attention to it you know. you’ll make a fool of yourself if do not pay enough attention. but you can pass an examination without attention. (anupam kher): yeah, i understand that

above all, if you just i’ve seen this simple thing, children came to us we have a isha home school, which is a very… run in a very different way. i one day went to the assembly hall, these six, six-and-a-half year old kids, they’re all like this like this, like this. i said, ‘why are the kids like broken tops? why are they shaking around like this?’ then i just brought this thing, simply every day in the morning,

‘sa ri ga ma pa da ni sa,’ fifteen minutes, everybody must do. you go there after two months they’re all sitting like this. that’s all it takes. if you just make them walk in the forest in the night, one night, okay, in the darkness you just make them walk, you will see they will become like this. their ability to pay attention will become like that.

their sense of wonder will explode. you just take them into the jungle, make them walk for a night, without torches, without cell-phones, without anything, in a protected atmosphere, you will see within one night there’ll be a tremendous transformation in the sense of wonder in the child’s life. but we are making them physically incapable of these things. sitting just in front of the computers they are becoming physically incapable.

when physically it hurts they will protest; they will not do anything. so it’s something that parents must take care off. bringing up your child does not mean just sending him to school and getting marks and grades and nonsense. your child in body and mind should grow up to full capabilities. that is when it’ll manifest in his life as success. just marks will not manifest as success. (anupam kher); for that parents also have

to be peaceful and restful. (sadhguru): of course. (anupam kher); do you get angry? (sadhguru): you want me to right now? (laughs) it’s not that i am incapable of anger; i am capable of everything. it is just that i have not given this privilege to anybody that they can make me angry, they can make me happy,

they can make me unhappy, they can make me miserable; i’ve not give this privilege to anybody. if... if somebody need to be shouted at, boom i wi’ll go. (anupam kher); so what makes you angry? (sadhguru): it doesn’t make me angry. if they need a shouting i’ll give it to them. see, there are different kinds of people in the world.

there is somebody here, if i just look at them they’ll understand why they’re being looked at. there’s somebody here, if you at them they’ll just stare back at you. if you tell them gently they will understand. there is somebody here, if you tell them gently they won’t get it, you have to shout at them. there is somebody else here, even if you shout you won't... they won’t get it, you have to knock them on their head and tell them. different levels of sensitivity in the world.

your action should be appropriate to the situations in which you exist. i am not bound like this, ‘i will not say this, i will be gentle, i will be nice,’ i have no such things. i am just appropriate to the situations in which i exist. what you need, i will do. if you need only shouting i will do. what’s my problem? (anupam kher): what’s your shortcoming?

(sadhguru): hmm? my shortcoming is i am not tall enough. (anupam kher): you are the tallest man right now over here, we know that. (sadhguru): i came little short. (anupam kher): what is your shortcoming? (sadhguru): others should tell me, isn't it? if i knew i would fix it. if i knew what’s my shortcoming i would fix it. (anupam kher): you are a person who self-evaluates i am sure very well,

who knows himself. if he knows the world or he feels that he knows the world, you know must be knowing yourself. what is it? i am restless, like let me put it… i am restless. i don’t know how i am talking because it’s wonderful to listen to you and but i am restless, i know it. so i think it’s a shortcoming, i need to settle down.

what is your shortcoming? (sadhguru): see it’s very difficult to explain this because you’re looking at okay as a person everybody has pluses and minuses like this. it is not that i am all plus no minus; i am not thinking like that. it is just that… it’s very strange; i am not really a person, that’s my problem. i can… in any given moment i will just make myself

as it is necessary for that situation. sometimes if it’s not successful i will adjust it little more. see it’s just that i am made like this, if i sit like this by myself i don’t have a single thought on my mind. if i sit… sometimes i shut my doors for four, five days i don’t have a single thought, i don’t look out of the window,

i don’t read, i don’t do anything. so i don’t have a personality as such. so i am neither plus nor minus, i am just like, if this moment i have to make myself up okay, how should i be right now, how the people around me, accordingly i am. otherwise maybe in certain moments or in certain situations i might not have succeeded as well as i could have because i did not grasp the situation at that moment

as i should have. but what is the plus in me, what is the minus in me – first of all i don’t know where is me ’cause i make it up. you also make it up, you’re actor. but i don’t act, i really make it up and everybody is making it up but they believe it’s true. i know it’s not true. so i don’t know how to add pluses and minuses

to me when i don’t exist as a person. (anupam kher): when was the last time you cried? (sadhguru): every day. (anupam kher): not out of ecstasy but out of feeling for somebody (sadhguru): every day i would say. (anupam kher): out of compassion, out of (sadhguru): that’s what, just now, it’s a… see i am like this, if... if i step on a ant, tears may come.

if my mother dies, i’ll simply sit there stoically without a tear drop coming out of my eyes. not because i have nothing for her, it is... it is just that – it’s very difficult to explain. when i want i can go, when i don’t want i just keep quiet. so right now pallavi was playing that movie,

i just saw those kids, i know every one of them in the village. they’ve all grown up now; this is some four-year old shot. i was just there two days ago and these kids were all over me. so when i looked at them, naturally a tear drop comes to me, then the photographers come, i just suck it back. okay? so i am saying everything that happens within me,

i have hundred percent made it a conscious process. if i want right now i can go into tears. if i want right now i can laugh. if i want i can just sit still here without doing anything. (anupam kher): you can make a very good actor then if you are controlled with your emotions, that you can… right now i can see tears in your eyes.

(sadhguru): no. (anupam kher): i mean if we go into the close of sadhguru, we know that so you were while talking. so what is… do you feel lonely? (sadhguru): lonely? i have never been lonely because the creator has left... never left me alone for a moment.

(anupam kher): i suddenly felt this sense of loneliness in you in this fraction of a second. (sadhguru): creator… the creator has never left me alone for a moment. (anupam kher): who is the creator? (sadhguru): he’s not left anybody alone for a moment. it’s only because it’s throbbing within you, you’re alive, isn't it? either you are conscious of it or not. if

(anupam kher): you said just now the your creator has never left you alone, (sadhguru):yes (anupam kher): who is that creator? (sadhguru): what do you mean ‘who’? there is creation. (anupam kher): my question was to you (sadhguru): there is creation, right? there is creation?

did you create it? (anupam kher): no (sadhguru): no. so something obviously created it. the thing is being human you want to draw a human picture, who is that? that’s not the point. here within you it is in the human form. if there’s a dog, it’s in the dog form. if it’s an ant, it’s in the ant form.

if it’s a tree, it’s in the tree form. but the source of creation is throbbing in everything. because people are unconscious that such a huge thing is happening within them, there is a possibility of them feeling lonely. if... when you’re alone, if you feel lonely, obviously you’re in bad company, isn't it? (anupam kher): it’s a great journey to be talking to you i must say. if you have to describe before

we go to the questions to the audience, if you have to describe yourself in one word, what will that word be? i usually do this exercise with my actor students because then we see that if that word is going to be in fact it’s for all of you, in your mind please think what that word will be or whether that word will be there, the same word after five years, ten years, or was that word before five years.

so if sadhguru has to decide and if he has to tell me to describe himself in one word, one that apart from mystic. (sadhguru): okay. would you consider ‘wildlife’ as two words or one word? (anupam kher): what is the word? what’s (sadhguru): wildlife. (anupam kher): it’s… for you it’s one word. (sadhguru): one word. so life... life, uncultured,

uncultivated just wild and as it is, that’s me. (anupam kher): you’re very warm also. (sadhguru): just life, nothing else. (anupam kher):it’s been very enriching talking to you. i must say that i feel rich. okay, so questions from the audience. yes, ma’am, in the red dupatta. sorry, i don’t know your name;

you can tell me your name. sorry? sushmita – okay, there’s a mike coming for you sushmita. (questioner): firstly i am overwhelmed to see both of you and i went through the inner engineering program like two months back. i’m very thankful to sadhguru for it. my question is related to what sadhguru just said that

if you want to bring the difference in india, we all need to step out and do things on our part. so recently i was in a village of bihar, i was doing things, i saw people there. we were finding out about the schemes where that whether they are reaching the people or not. but the thing is when i explained that to other people, they are very negative about it, like, ‘whatever you do nothing is going to change,

the system is not going to change.’ how do you change that kind of attitude? (anupam kher): that question is to you, i am only the question i think if i have to answer the question since he allowed me to do that, i think you have to carry on. you don’t get bogged down by people. you cannot get bogged down. even if you are alone you must carry on.

there’s a incident that i went through when i used to work for dilkush special school for mentally challenged children. sister delores who was a spanish nun, i told her that, ‘i want to teach here, but don’t tell anybody because they will think that i am doing it for publicity.’ so she said, ‘then don’t do it.’ i was a little surprised. she said, ‘out of hundred people if four people believe you,

for us those four people are very important.’ so i just want to do that. that’s what i (sadhguru): so… see ‘not possible’ is a normal vein everywhere – not possible, not possible. what is possible and not possible is not your business. that’s nature’s business. your life is about doing what you really care for. whether it’s possible or not possible, why the hell are you concerned about it?

that is nature’s business. nature will decide what is possible and not possible. your business is just to work for what matters to you. if you don’t do what you care for, if you do not create what matters to you, why are you living your life? what is the point of existing here if you are not doing what really matters to you? if you are doing some other rubbish which is safe,

what is the point? your life is worth it only if you’re creating something that you care for, isn’t it? if you are not creating what you care for, it’s a wasted life before you live it. see, when we moved into the ashram in coimbatore about eighteen years ago, next to us is a rainforest,

it’s very rich and fantastic but this particular hill right behind our ashram was all the big trees were taken down in this one hill alone because there was an illegal furniture industry right opposite to where we are and we had to buy that out and dismantle it. they had removed all tress in this except the smaller ones. so in summer times it’ll get brown and it get... it radiates heat.

and ashram temperatures would be at least three degrees to four degrees sometimes warmer than coimbatore city. so i told our people, ‘i think we should plant this mountain up.’ they said, ‘sadhguru, mountain planting? you’ve done... you’ve made us do all kinds of crazy things but planting up a mountain.’ then i came with a simple formula.

i said, ‘you’re not going to take plants and plant it. we will just do it this way. i created a contraption with which they poke the main thing is why people have done it before and it doesn’t work, why it doesn’t work is, they have set mindsets. they are not looking at see, because you’re not passionate enough, so you don’t look hard enough.

you plant a seed in the forest, animals walk on it, it gets plastered; black cotton soil, no seed will ever sprout because it gets hard. so we just poked with a conical metal thing, put two seeds and i said, ‘put sand not soil.’ so put sand. about twenty-one days a little over three thousand volunteers, all we provided was midday meal on the mountain. they sang songs and like picnic

we walked around. today you come and see, all the trees in this mountain are about fifteen years old and it remains green through the summer. our temperatures are at least three degrees lower than coimbatore city. and based on this, when some un agencies came and they predicted in 1998, they came and made a prediction, ‘ by 2025, sixty percent of tamil nadu will be a desert.’ i don’t like any kind of predictions because predictions are made by people

who are incapable of a plan in their life you know. you’re not taking human aspiration into consideration; you’re just taking cold statistic and trying to decide the future of the world. so i said, let me see it for myself and i traveled around, i just drove across tamil nadu in a week’s time and i saw that the prediction was wrong because in my estimate it would happen much sooner than 2025.

then i thought what to do because tamil nadu is one region on the planet, which has an agricultural history agricultural history of 12,000 years of farming on the same land. some places, the same communities and same families have been existing for 12,000 years, they’ve been doing farming. the only other place which has such history is some parts of south america,

nowhere else there’s a 12,000 year history of agriculture. twelve thousand years this land has nurtured us, in one generation we a’re going to turn it into a desert, it didn’t look like a good idea to me. so i just made a barefoot calculation. tamil nadu’s green cover is sixteen point five percent, national aspiration is thirty-three percent, how many trees should we plant, i just made a simple barefoot calculation and arrived at –

one hundred fourteen million trees if you plant in six to eight years in fifteen to twenty years we’ll have thirty-three percent green cover. so i called a group of people and said, ‘we need to plant hundred and fourteen million years.’ their eyeballs ‘sadhguru, do you know what that number is?’ i asked them ‘what’s your population, tamil population?’ they said ‘sixty-two million.’

sixty-two million people. if all of us plant one tree today, nurture it for two years plant one more, what’s the number? you got it. why is it… why... even a beggar on the street can plant one tree, isn't it? it doesn’t need any capability; only willingness is missing, isn't it? the necessary concern is missing.

because we don’t understand how life happens. we think life happens out of supermarkets and shops. life happens out of the planet. if you don’t nourish it, it will not happen. so what is possible and not possible, leave that to nature. today we planted over fourteen million trees in six or seven years now. tamil nadu’'s green cover has gone up

officially by five point two percent. the google maps show that over seven percent increase has happened. this is the only part of asia where actually green cover is going up. tamil nadu is the only place where this is happening. and i want you to know we did not give up our life to do this. we did not give up our life to do this. to turn this mountain green we worked only about twenty-two days.

to make these fourteen million trees happen, we have worked – a certain group of people are working fulltime, rest of us have just pitched in here and there, that’s all. you don’t have to give up your lives to make these things happen; it is just that getting everybody involved is the big thing. (anupam kher): yes. yes sir, mike to this gentleman please. forward, forward. (questioner): namaskar sadhguru, so i’m… my name is kamal, i’m forty-two year professional who works in a

(sadhguru): little closer, the microphone. (questioner): i work in a complex technical environment, so this is from that perspective. so here’s my take on it so far. it’s a really big rock of millions of rocks that are floating around up there. there’s one big rock that we’re on, it’s one of millions of them floating out there. there are six billion of us like ants living on it.

we recently turned clever about five thousand years for us okay we’ll start again. so there are six billion people living on this world. we recently turned clever maybe about five thousand years ago – for us and western civilization maybe two-three thousand years – and they think they’re very clever. there’s no mass consciousness on the planet. there’s no combined or individual instinct for self-preservation of the environment.

we have limited resources. the planetary system is completely out of balance due to the influence, to our influence, we are faltering governance. the only form of governance that i think i liked so far is benevolent which you run in the ashram and i think that’s the only thing that works so far. there’s separations of every kind,

country, religion, race, color, creed, status (sadhguru): what’s the question, what’s the question? (questioner): where’s the hope, where’s the hope? what’s it going to take to change this mess? (sadhguru): please sit. i mean all these statistics are there, that’s exactly what he was saying. you’re looking at all the horrible things.

you’re not looking at all the beautiful things. the earth is still spinning on time. sun is coming up everyday in the morning. flowers are blossoming. the earth is still rich. human beings though they’re lost a little bit, they still have their brains in place. so look at the possibility rather than going on looking at what’s not working.

i am not saying we should not understand what’s not working. yes, we have to understand what’s not working, but don’t fill yourself with that. fill yourself with a dream to create a possibility. why sitting here, a young man like you going on saying, ‘this is happening, that’s happening, where is the hope,’ you’ll only get depressed. you getting depressed is not a solution.

you getting depressed is one more problem on the planet. yes already we have enough. and i want you to just get up and look at all these people; they are nice, healthy, vibrant people. it is just that life has not hit them hard enough to get up and do something right now and apart from that their daily grind is keeping them so busy – their own family, their own home, their own children,

their own stuff is keeping them too busy for them to be going out and doing something. if you create an opportunity i am sure any number of them will participate. we have not created sufficient forum, which is straight enough, sincere enough for many people to identify themselves with. this is exactly what we’ve been trying to create in south india

that first thing is brutally cleanliness. cleanliness will not come easily, i want you to understand. when 10,000 people gather, a few million people gather to keep the place clean, clean of corruption – corruption does not mean somebody has a become an official or a minister and taking money from somebody,

small things you know you push your neighbor’s child and want to push your child in the front, that's where it starts that’s where it starts. and it is just a question of how powerful you are that much you push. people who are powerful when they push, it is visible. when you do it you think it’s all right. no. so this corruption starts

to keep this clean, you have to be brutal. i am people in the book are writing i am very compassionate, most of the day i am horribly brutal chopping down people for small things that went off the line. if we did not do that you would not see the atmosphere that you see in the ashram, you do not see the cleanliness

that we see in our movements. though millions of people are working, they function like this – one rupee will not go unaccounted. so this will not come easy – brutality. everyday what i do is not compassion not love, just brutality, really. (anupam kher): wonderful! also there’s a very beautiful line, which says that failure is an event never a person.

so i think you have your answer and as sadhguru said let’s not have one more problem on the planet. yes, please. kiranji wants to ask you a question, yes. (sadhguru): i am sure it’s for him. (anupam kher):not for me. (questioner): all the questions for anupam still remain unanswered even though i’ve asked them very often,

so i won’t attempt it again. but i want to say that i am very privileged to finally see you in person and have been wanting to do so for many years but somehow it has never been able to it hasn’t happened. your book mystic’s musings which i read many years ago when i lost my brother, my younger brother, and it was a great tragedy in the family and something that i was finding very difficult to cope with

and it gave me, it gave me great amount of courage and made me feel much better. i don’t know why it did, maybe some works of philosophy take you into a realm where you’re suppose where it just makes you feel better that you’re just a part of a greater design and nothing to feel so sorrowful about. also it talked a lot about spirits, it talked a lot about life being a continuous process.

so there are about a hundred questions i want to ask you, but there’s one thing i’ve been very curious about after reading the book. in that you, you write about when you and your wife everybody was constructing the dhyanalingam and you talk about how she… the grasp of life slipped from her, it became the thread of life or the grasp of life, something to that effect, became very fragile

when she could not hold on to it and she passed away. what exactly did you mean by that? (sadhguru): see the life within you, the life within you manages to stick to the physicality of who you are. we’ve already been through this; physicality is something that you gathered. it is not you; it is material. it is just a piece of this planet.

what you gathered from the planet, if it has to stick to the life that you are, you must be in a certain level of reverberance. if you drop in intensity below a certain point you can’t hold it. that is called as dying of old age. there is no such thing in the world anymore as dying of old age because doctors have decided

you cannot die of old age, you can only die of a heart attack or a liver failure or a kidney failure or something, you cannot die of old age anymore. if you have seen anybody close-up who are dying of old age, you will see... you can see his eyes become feeble, life becomes feeble, it’s like the body is struggling to hold it

but it can’t hold because it’s become too feeble. if the reverberation goes below a certain level of intensity it can’t stick to the body, it will leave. so that is generally understood as leaving peacefully because without struggle it just passed on. that is… that’s the reason why the word ‘passing on’ has come. you’re supposed to pass on; you are not supposed to kick out. (laughs)

so that is if the intensity drops. another way to leave is you raise the pitch of life’s intensity to such a pitch it went beyond normal pitch, then also you leave the body. so spiritual sadhana is trying to get the pitch of your life to the highest point because only if the intensity of life is high – it’s like the voltage is high, that’s why the lights are bright.

if your voltage is low, the lights will be dim, your awareness will be dim, your perception will be dim; all you will know is just survival process. so you want to pitch it up. so when you pitch it up beyond a certain point, there is always a danger that you will slip out. so we will fix certain things. we will fix certain things

when a spiritual aspirant is progressing with a certain rapidity; we will fix the body in a certain way so that that cannot happen. just yesterday i was, you know, the ashram sathsang when we were there, one lady asked why women are asked to wear, you know, the toe rings – what do you call this in hindi? the toe ring, not you, you’re not wearing.

(in hindi) yes. so it’s called metti in south. why women are asked to wear toe rings when they get married? because marriage was supposed to be such a huge experience that they could leave the body. at the age of eight they would marry them. they will never see each other till they are fourteen or fifteen but emotionally, psychologically she’s

cultivated and cultivated to believe that her husband is like god, when she meets him life will explode. that possibility in the child’s mind has built up. when she is physically mature, she’s brought into marriage. because in this country, in this culture, there is no business,

there is no marriage, there is no child, there is no family, everything is just a tool towards your liberation and mukti. you get married because you want to use that as a tool to your liberation. you raise children because you want to use that as a tool to your liberation. you become a sanyas because you want to use that.

it does not matter what you do, everything is towards your mukti or liberation. because of this they nurtured this girl and boy in such a way that for four to six years they have not seen each other but they are made to believe when they meet something is going to happen. in the child’s mind it’s grown to such a big possibility. something does not mean, like how today’s teenagers are thinking

something means there’s only one thing, there’s no something, okay. they are not thinking about that one thing alone. it is not just two bodies meeting, not just two minds and emotions meeting, two lives being merged into one. so we created various devices. you know there’s something called as mangal sutra. sutra means you know - what’s a kite in hindi?

patang patang, is it? you have a sutra for that? yeah, dorr. so if you have the right kind of sutra the kite will fly. so the mangal sutra is that that you prepare it in certain way. it’s an energy thread and you are supposed to replace it every year. but today you have a thick chain, which cannot be replaced. sutra was to make you fly. chain is a symbol of slavery, isn't it? we have shifted from sutra to chain.

so every year you are supposed to replace it, somebody who knows what it is gives you a live sutra, matches the husband and wife their energies in such a way, they are not just bound in body, mind and emotion, they are bound as two lives. any number of events have happened like this in the past, which is becoming more and more rare these days, if a man or a woman dies, within forty days the husband or wife will also just die.

have you heard of this? there was a time when this film people were singing, ‘janam janam,’ all that. now they’re talking expiry date for relationships. no ‘janam janam’ songs anymore. because the idea was to bind two lives. how the bodies match, how the minds match, emotions match is not important, two lives are entwined. so there is a kind of bonding.

many of them have never spoken to each other; there is a bonding, which is unexplainable. the sense of bond that they felt was so deep because it was a scientific process of binding two lives in such a way that there is no question of compatibility, this that. it doesn’t matter, you marry a devil still you are bound and you feel an ecstatic sense within you simply because of the union within yourself

not because of what somebody else is doing. so now in a marriage, what somebody else is doing or what your husband or wife is doing doesn’t matter, just the way you are is an explosive experience. this is how lot of women lived in the past because the process was very scientific and it was done properly. so they put this metal on the toes and also on the ring finger always

because if there is metal on certain strategic places in your body you will not accidentally leave your body. so when you do spiritual sadhana, when we notice somebody is becoming very intense, first thing is i will gift them a simple copper ring which they must wear and they cannot remove without you also. they must wear and they cannot remove without permission because if this simple metal is on the ring finger

when they get into certain states of exuberance by accident they will not slip out of the body. so she got into such exuberant states, naturally certain little bit of jewelry things were there. these things were never discussed till that point. there’re many things i refused to discuss because devices will work well only when people do not know how it works. so we just put it on people we never explain.

but when this situation happened i had to explain what happened. she sat there on a full moon day evening with everybody. there were people around and after five minutes it is in the shrine, she got up and went. my eyes are closed; i knew she got up. i got little irritated because nobody ever gets up once they sit down. till we say it is time nobody ever gets up.

and of all the people my wife getting up and going little irritation in me, one ‘why is she getting up of all the people?’ then i ignored it and i sat down. after five minutes she came and sat down. in another seven, eight minutes she just went like that. when i looked she was gone with a... with a big smile on her face. then i looked, she’s removed her nose ring, she’s removed her bangles, she’s removed her toe… toe rings.

see she did not know intellectually but at that moment she felt this is what is stopping her. and she pulled out all those things, kept next to the... next to the washbasin and came back and she sat down, within seven, eight minutes but this is not something that happened accidentally. she announced this almost nine months ahead of time. she had prepared my girl who was only seven years at that time that she’s going to leave in this month,

but it happened one month early for various reasons, that’s a different aspect. but this is not new in this country. any number of yogis just sit down, announce to everybody and leave their body. this whole process started one year before that. one year before that there was a yogi called nirmalananda in the belligiri ranganna betta in karnataka. anybody been there?

br hills, you’ve been there? oh! it’s a fabulous place. so he lived there. for fourteen years he lived in silence just in the four-acre ashram, he never stepped out of it. i... i met him in a strange way. i used to trek in those mountains. so i go alone and trek for a week, ten days, when i run out of food and

there’s no way i can procure anything, i live out of the forest but when i am done, i come out and ride off. i parked my motorcycle somewhere; i trekked for almost five, six days. from… it is rainy season, head to toe i am in slush, i am really drenched with mud and everything. then i came out and i was extremely hungry

i had not eaten for two days, i was very, very hungry. so there’s no hotels, nothing there. so i had heard about this ashram. me and spirituality were impossible at those times, that never occurred to me, i was just, you know in a different mode altogether. so i went to this ashram, there were about fifteen steps to climb. i wouldn’t get off my motorcycle at all those days, i just rode up the steps and went and parked my motorcycle,

leaning it on to the door… wall, next to his door and he came and he looked at me and he grinned. then i said, ‘i am hungry.’ but he was not talking. so he said, ‘come inside,’ and he made me sit down. he had a little, you know baking thing, he baked some bread for me. all he had was this bread and honey.

so he gave me bread and honey, i ate up two loaves of bread for making up for two days. then after that we developed a silent relationship. whenever i went there i would take a bunch of bananas or something and he would give me a can of honey. this transaction went on. many years later, after things happened to me in a big way, everything about my life changed. after about ten years i went to see him.

he didn’t recognize me because you know and i asked, ‘don’t you recognize me?’ and i smiled. he said, ‘hmmmm….’ he said, ‘oh you are the guy on the motor cycle.’ so at the age of seventy-three he decided when utharayana comes, you know what’s utharayana? the sun’s relationship with the earth, when it moves from southern hemisphere to north, you’ve heard of bhishma waiting to die at the time.

so he said, ‘when utharayana comes i want to leave my body.’ i went there with my wife and daughter and then he cried and he said, ‘i’ve built a samadhi, i am doing all this but i am afraid that i may not be able to do it.’ then i started discussing the technicalities of what it is, what makes it happen, what stops it, what is it that you need to do and these kinds of things. so my wife vijji was also there,

she was listening to all this. then we were driving back. by then i had graduated to four wheels and we were driving back. then she was silently crying. i said, ‘what happened?’ she said, ‘i also want to leave like him.’ i said, ‘when are you going to go?’ i was trying to make a joke out of it.

she said, ‘no, i… really, this is what i want to do.’ i said, ‘why, what’s wrong with your life?’ she said, ‘no, everything is right with my life. my outside is good. my inside is feeling wonderful. i want to leave when i am like this, not when something is wrong with me.’ then you know as a husband, as a father of the girl, i am trying to discourage her, but as a guru definitely i want somebody to go as far as they can go.

so from that day she started she asked for what to do, i gave her some simple sadhana, never believing that she will go to that pitch and intensity because she was not somebody who was steeped in spiritual sadhana. she’s just a very alive – she is either up or down you know. she is either absolutely exuberant or down,

she doesn’t know the in-between. she’s not somebody who do... whom you would consider a yogi or established in sadhana, nothing like that. she is a very exuberant person and that’s all it takes, that you’re alive that’s all it takes. it’s not that you know this or that, you’re just hundred percent alive, that’s the only qualification you need. and she started working towards it,

she announced it nine months ahead, we tried to sabotage it in so many ways to slow it down but it went the way it went. (anupam kher): yes please, we’ll take two more questions and then i think yes, ma’am. (questioner): first course of isha yoga, i’m having difficulty in cutting the cord. please help me with that. (sadhguru): cutting the...?

(anupam kher): she is having difficulty in cutting the cord. (questioner): with my attachment, to my family, to my children. i get very easily disturbed by what happens within my close circle. (sadhguru); oh, i never said you must cut the cord. (laughs) i... i am just telling you… unfortunately your motherly cord is too limited right now; just expand it a little bit.

just make it connect to every piece of life on this planet rather than just to a handful. (anupam kher): beautiful. (sadhguru): why do you want to cut your cord? where is the reason to cut your cord? the reason why… see, please understand this, there is a difference between involvement and entanglement. if you do not know involvement, you will never know life.

the only way to know life is with involvement. if you are not involved would you know anything? forget about spirituality. would you know anything in your life if you are not involved? the only way to know anything in your life is with involvement. what is lacking in people is lack of involvement. so when involvement becomes discriminatory it becomes entanglement. let your involvement become indiscriminate.

the earth that you walk upon, the food that you eat, the water that you drink, the air that you breathe and the very space in which you exist, see if you can absolutely involve yourself with everything, because the life that you are, you are involved. if you were not involved with the air that you breathe you would be dead, isn't it? you’re anyway involved; you just have to become conscious

that this is the only way life happens. you have to see that you’re consciously involved. right now you’re unconsciously involved. if you’re unconsciously involved it looks like one big burden. if you’re consciously involved it’ll become blissful. is your life… right now do you know scientifically today we can prove

every subatomic particle in your body is right now in communication with the whole cosmos. such a big phenomena, you’re trying to ignore, that is your crime. you bearing your children, being married that is not your crime, your crime is you’re trying to ignore such a big phenomena which is the basis of your life and creation.

because you ignore that you suffer, not because you’re involved with your family you suffer, because you’re trying to ignore something so big. right now your life is like this – is it true that today sun came up on time for the season? planet is spinning on time, flowers blossom, everything in this many, many galaxies is happening absolutely perfectly well but you have one nasty thought crawling through your head

and it’s a bad day. you have… you don’t have a perspective of who are, you think too much of yourself. if you… see, right now your whole experience of life is limited to the physical form that you are. as a physical form what are you in this cosmos tell me. in your home you maybe something, on the street - not much, in the town - nothing.

in the cosmos you are not even a speck of dust; please get the perspective right. as a physical existence you are really nothing, isn't it? if you understand this, you would know, you would look at everything with absolute wonder and involvement. then one little thought, one little emotion that is flowing through your mind wouldn’t be important because it’s not even a concern. it is something that you are creating, isn't it? what’s happening in your mind is your making.

yes or no? can i tell you a bad joke? can i? (anupam kher): please. yes. can we have the last question now sadhguru? (audience): joke. (anupam kher): a joke? okay. i am so sorry. (in hindi) (sadhguru): a lady went to sleep. a lady…? a lady went to sleep.

in her sleep she had a dream. in her dream she saw a hunk of man standing there staring at her. he started coming closer and closer and closer and closer. he came so close she could even feel his breath and she trembled, not in fear. and then she asked, ‘what will you do to me?’ the man said,

‘well lady, it’s your dream.’ so what’s… what is happening in your head is your bloody dream, isn't it? now your problem is not that life is not happening the way you want it, even your bloody dream is not happening the way you want it. this is your problem. at least let the dreams happen the way you want it. the world doesn’t happen the way you want it, that’s different.

if your dream happened the way you want it, you would be still joyful, isn't it? (anupam kher): i hope you got your answer ma’am. up here. up there, yes, i think… yes ma’am. (sadhguru): oh, in the other world, yes. yes, please speak up, it’s okay. (questioner): what is awareness? (anupam kher): your basic question is what is awareness – that you are up there sir, i have a question.

i think that lady asked a question, ‘what is awareness?’ let sadhguru answer that. is it related to that kind of a question? no. okay then, i think let sadhguru answer that. that ‘no’ is very firm. i understand that. i somehow feel what is your question going to be. okay, what is awareness sadhguru?

(sadhguru): aliveness is awareness. you know that you are alive only because you’re aware. only thing is right now your awareness is very limited, it’s in low voltage. you just have to pump it up. you just have to increase the… pitch up the voltage, that’s all. it’s not that you’re not aware. only because you are aware, you know that you are here,

otherwise you wouldn’t even know. suppose – is there anybody sleeping in the dark corners?’ suppose somebody has gone like this, he doesn’t even know where he is, isn't it? not only he does not know where he is, he does not even know whether he is or he isn’t, isn't it? so you are aware, that’s why you know you are here. that’s why you know you are.

but now it is not strong enough. it is not lighting up the whole space. it is only lighting one corner of your life. it is giving you enough awareness to survive in the world; it is not giving you enough awareness to know the nature of life. now when we say ‘awareness, awareness’ we are talking about only heightening your awareness, not creating some new awareness. your awareness is good enough for survival.

is that enough for you or do you want to know the very nature of your existence? if you want to know the very nature of your existence then you need to pitch up your awareness to a higher level otherwise it will not happen. (anupam kher): please, this yes, the lady with the ‘no.’ that was only to get your attention to make before

we have all eyes for you now. thank you. what’s your name? mrinalini. and sadhguru at the (sadhguru): why don’t you shoot at him? (questioner): at the isha foundation camp in coimbatore, near the samadhi of your wife is a photograph which sent shivers down my spine.

the feeling that has been captured there’s a photograph near the samadhi of your wife which said she was you know the feelings that were captured in the photograph whose photograph is that? vij… his wife, vijji okay. are… the feelings are of sheer ecstasy in my interpretation. how does one achieve

that level of ecstasy in our life? (sadhguru): see every life that is here is capable of joy, is capable of blissfulness, is capable of ecstasy. the only problem is they’re not able to sustain it. the problem is of sustainability. everybody knows moments of all this but to be there,

to be there you have not built the necessary foundations. see if there is a wall, you can jump up and have a peep. or you can go on a trampoline and have a little longer peep but you will come down. but if you build a ladder, which is not so romantic as jumping but if you climb up you’re across the wall. so, instead of calling it by different names like blissfulness, ecstasy, this, that, pleasantness

- highest level of pleasantness, this is what every human being wants. if your body is pleasant we say it is health. if it becomes very pleasant we say it’s pleasure. if your mind is pleasant we say this is peace. if it becomes very pleasant we say this is joy. if your emotions are pleasant we say this is love. if it becomes very pleasant we say it’s compassion. if your very life energies are pleasant we say this is bliss.

if it is very pleasant we say this is ecstasy. if your surroundings have become pleasant we say you are a success. this is all every human being is seeking, isn't it? nothing more. you want your insides pleasant; you want your outsides pleasant. this is all a human being is seeking. outside pleasantness you need people’s co-operation, yes? it is a craft, you have to arrange,

you have to compromise, you have to deal with situations properly. creating outside pleasantness is a certain talent, a certain capability. not everybody is able to do the same thing on the outside. but when it comes to interiority all of us are equally capable. nobody has come better endowed than the other. every human being is capable of the same thing

in the inward dimension. so somebody is sitting in a state of ecstasy, how to get there, is it possible for me? don’t even ask the question, ‘is it possible?’ if it is possible for me it is for sure possible for you. but what i do on the outside – is it possible for you?

maybe may not be. but what i do on the inside is it possible for me definitely, definitely possible! inner experience, nobody can be denied; external capabilities are different. so what needs to be done? whatever you’ve been through the inner engineering is the fundamental. if you get this one thing right, you will naturally grow into that.

the problem is everyday you keep undoing it, so everyday in the morning you do this, now we are giving the isha kriya cd also all over mumbai, but everyday in the morning you give yourself a three-minute crash course in inner engineering, you will see in three months’ time you will be feeling very pleasant. in six months’ time, if you simply look at a tree, you will burst into ecstasy.

if you look at a cloud, you will burst into ecstasy. if you close your eyes, you will get there no matter what. you just need an excuse. you will become like that for sure. because these are the fundamentals that is... that’s why i am saying it’s engineering because if you want to engineer something you have to do it right otherwise it’ll not work.

you can’t somehow see, you want to build this building, you can’t somehow place something and hope it will stand. it will not stand. you have to place it in a certain way. then only the building stands up, isn't it? similarly you have to hold yourself in a certain way, then only this experience holds up otherwise moments up and then down.

(anupam kher): also i feel – with your permission – i think if you depend on others to make you happy, i think there’s a possibility you may not be happy. if you decide that you need to decide to be happy then there is a possibility (sadhguru): why are you underestimating her husband? i think it’s a… i have to… we have to stop sadhguru or shall we (sadhguru):there’s just five minutes more. (anupam kher): five minutes, okay. (questioner): good evening all of you and my pranams to

guruji and anupamji, i am vijayshankar – i am from the media and also a classical dancer. so guruji i would like to know, you know man is always craving for more and more and not happy at all with whatever he gets. of course you just explained now how happiness is an internal state of being. so normally how…what would you tell to

normal people as to how to get peace and happiness in their lives? (sadhguru): you have asked a simple question the problem is not that human beings are craving for more, they are craving too little. right now instead of when human consciousness is able to grasp the whole cosmos instead of craving for that, they are craving for an apartment in mumbai.

just stupid. so their suffering is not because they are craving for more, they are craving for too little. they are kanjoos even in their craving. that is their problem. please crave for everything; you will be wonderful. there will be no misery. you are craving for little things, that’s your problem.

when such a big possibility is there, going for this is very it’s criminal i would say. so it is because of this crime they are suffering, they are being punished for this crime not for craving too much. they are not craving enough. when creation and creator is possible, they just want this little piece of property,

that’s all they’re thinking of, they can’t think beyond that. so they suffer for limiting themselves not because of craving for too much. (anupam kher): one last question we’ll take, sadhguru. sadhguru… sadhguru that’s a burning question. okay. (questioner): sadhguru, i have deep gratitude towards you,

i’ve read an article about from you in times of india you know, and i was really amazed and that let to, you know, a strong feeling, i just can’t imagine, i still have that feeling, so that connections with you. so i have been since childhood i have been ignored a lot of times. i feel i have been manipulated, you know,

so i am not able to understand, you know, understand what is happening actually, you know. i actually go through these things every now and then. (sadhguru): okay. so if you’ve been ignored by everybody around you, it’s a fortune. you have life for yourself. most children are suffering the attention of the parents. if they are ignored

they would be just happy doing their own thing. so you just… you just sit there and listen to me. can i do a chant? yes please. karacharanakrithamva now immediately the question is what is the prayer, it’s not a prayer. there is you need to understand

there are no prayers in this culture, there are only invocations. prayers are a recent happening. prayer means you’re trying to talk to somebody. invocation means you’re trying to bring out what is the greatest thing within you. now what this chant – to put it in a simplest form is, everything – the earth that i walk upon,

the air that i breathe, the water that i drink, the food that i eat, the very space in which we exist, the hand of the creator is active. the only most beautiful thing that you can do is to be absolutely involved with this, but still not distort the hand of the creation. you do not distort the hand of the creator.

that is something that you do is an aberration to what the creator intends. the intelligence behind creation, what is intending, what it is intending, to be in tune with that, not to do some rubbish of your own thing. so this is a journey from being a piece of creation to being the creator. every human being is capable of this. it’s my wish and my blessing this should become the reality in your life.

thank you very much for being here. thank you, it was… i… words fail me to say that what it was a great… it’s for a lifetime experience. thank you pallavi for writing this book and making this evening possible. thank you sadhguru, thank you isha foundation and thanks a lot for everything.

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