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[ engine revving ] ♪♪ [ woman vocalizing ] [ men shouting ] [ horn honking ] [ honking continues ] - [ horns honking ]- [ people clamoring ] - [ horn honking ]- [ woman shouting ] ♪♪ [ vocalizing continues ] [ men chattering ]
[ men shouting ] [ man speaking in arabic ] [ men conversing in arabic ] coffee ? yeah, thank you. how have you likedyour stay ? what i've seen,i've liked. [ speaks in arabic ] please to explain whyi should agree to interview...
with pro-zionistamerican media ? because i thinkhezbollah... is trying to broadeninto a political partyright now, so you care aboutwhat you're thought ofin america, and in americaat this moment in time, hezbullah does nothave a face. that's why. perhaps you approvejournalism objectivity, and i seethe questions first.
then i decide if i grantthe interview. no.we don't do that. you've seen 60 minutesand mike wallace, so you know our reputationfor integrity and objectivity. you also know we arethe highest rated,most respected... tv magazine news showin america. ♪♪ [ man singing in arabic on radio ] so, mr. wallace-- should heget on a plane or not ? tell him i'll see him day after tomorrow.
that's good.that works. you know, i want toask you something.i know it sounds odd, but-- hello ? sheikh ? norman ? what ? what ? take your blindfold off. welcome to the world. [ phone beeping ] fluctuatingall over the place.
anywhere we shoot here,it's gonna be portable genniesand we'll run cable. [ line ringing ] hello ? mike, it's me. we're on. [ phone beeps ] [ chattering ] [ elevator bell dings ] - [ tv: cartoons ]- hi, honey.
hi, daddy. what's new ? - miss gaffrey gave me a star today.- yeah ? what for ? for reading. that's great. a little early for cartoons,isn't it ? okay. [ tv turns off ] deborah ? debbie ?
oh, i didn't knowyou were home. it's early,isn't it ? [ sighs ]gotta take debto ballet. [ girl ]mommy ! [ hyperventilating ] sweetheart, come on.come on. she was playingwith my pooh doll again. slow down. slow down.slow down. breathe deep.breathe deep. slow down, honey. slow down.
slow down. here we go. deep breaths. deep breaths. she was playingwith the pooh doll. pooh's dusty, sweetheart.he's dusty, and youbreathed him in. okay ? so, what'shappening to you--look at me. what's happening to you nowis cells called mass cells... told your lungs,"don't breathe any more of that dust in." and the airways in your lungsare like branches,
and when the branches close up,you get an asthmatic attack, and we give you medicine, and you get better. uh-huh ? okay ? better already,aren't you ? [ exhales deeply ] okay, baby ? [ deborah laughing ] can i go to dance tomorrow ?i-i'm better. if you are, then i'lltake barbara to soccerand take you to dance after.
i can take her. don't you have tobe at the office ? - is there any more rice ?- yes, it's on the stove. [ mother ]do you want more rice ? [ deborah ]maybe later. [ mother ] how about you ? [ barbara ]i'll take some. instant rice ? [ barbara ]can i go overto jeanine's house ?
- i'm sorry, darling. have you seen my coffee mug ?- try the car. [ sighs ] um, what arethose boxes ? i'm going to the store.you need anything ? what do you need at the store ? soy sauce. right now ? that's my stufffrom the office. why did you takeyour stuff from the office ?
i didn't want toleave it there. i don't understand. i got firedthis morning. where else am igonna take it ? why ?who said ? thomas sandefur. what are wesupposed to do ? what aboutour medical coverage ?what about our health ? what about our...car payments ?the payments on this house ?
the severance agreementincludes cash payoffsover time... and continuingmedical coverage. [ gasps ] sure you don'tneed anything ? no, thank you. [ engine starts ] jeffrey ? [ men speaking in arabic ] i am very pleased to receive youas my guest, mr. wallace.
- well, thank you for having us.- think i got a problem with the gennie. i gotta go outside. give me a hand with this,will you ? norman ! [ speaking in arabic ] - he says, uh, you must not sit so close.- what ? i can't conduct an interviewfrom back there. [ translating ] you must move backyour chair.
well, you tell him that wheni conduct an interview, i sit anywhere i damn please. - there is no interview.- you ! i'm talking to you !what the hell do you thinki am, a 78-year-old assassin ? you think i'm gonnakarate him to deathwith this notepad ? are you interpretingwhat i'm saying ? yes. we're there. good. well, ask him if arabicis his second language.
don't interpret that.hold it. [ shouting in arabic ] hold it ! hold it !slow. slow. sheikh, do you mind ? if you would just turnyour chair a little bit... to face mr. wallace. - is that okay ?- okay. are you ready, or do youwanna keep fucking around... and warm up some more ?
no. i've gotmy heart started. all right, todd. give me the three-buttonon mike, please. good. good. okay, we are rolling. [ clears throat ] okay, mike. sheikh fadlallah. thank you so muchfor seeing us.are you a terrorist ?
mr. wallace, i ama servant of god. a servant of god ?really ? americans believethat you-- as an islamicfundamentalist-- that you are a leaderwho contributed to the bombingof the u.s. embassy. everybody thinkscanadian mounties ride horsesand rescue ladies from rapids. mike, they backed localsin oka in a fightwith mohawks... over building a golf courseon their burial site, [ phone ringing ] they beat up protestersat kanasake--
where'd youhear that ? hello. oh, someone took a poll ?"are all things canadian boring ?" it's stuart.he's in mexico city. oh. let me call you back. yeah, stuart ? - what new york bank ?- hey, dad. will he go on cameraand talk aboutthe mexico city branch ? hey, jake.
whose moneyare they laundering ? no classes this morning ? uh, i don't have to be theretill 10:30. - hey, mom. hello.- hi, sweetheart. [ phone ringing ] hello ? yeah. do independent sourcescorroborate ? - dad, you got a box out here.- let me see this a second. [ chuckles ]
'cause i gotta know whereyou're going at all times. [ door closes ] i can't. i've gotta fly to boston tomorrow. 2:00 p.m.great. bye-bye. "ignition propensity." you understandany of this ? no.[ chuckles ] uh, this looks likea table of temperatures.
who's this from ? it's anonymous. references to "p.m." it's gotta bephillip morris, huh ? hmm. i have totake a shower. [ pager beeping ] [ phone ringing ] yeah ? hi, this isdoug oliver.
oh, hi, doug.it's lowell. i'm doing this story on firesafety, and people burning upfrom falling asleep smoking. i receive a shitloadof scientific papersfrom inside phillip morris. anonymous. you or anybodyin f.d.a. know someone... who can translate this stuffinto english for me ? uh, yeah. - [ line ringing ]- [ phone ringing ] - hello ?- uh, mr. wigand, please ? someone's callingfor daddy, mom.
oh. thank you, bob. who's calling ? uh, my nameis lowell bergman. did you say "berman" ? no, bergman.b-e-r-g-m-a-n. i'm a producerfor 60 minutes. 60 minutes ? yeah. 60 minutes, the television show ?
he doesn't want totalk to you. how does he know he doesn'twant to talk to me ? he doesn'tknow what i'm calling him about. he doesn't care to know. [ dial tone ] [ dialing numbers ] [ wigand on answering machine ]this is the wigands'. if you'd like to leave a messageor send a fax, start now. [ beeps ] this is lowell bergmanwith 60 minutes,and i'm doing a story...
on fire safetyand cigarettes. i have scientific documentsfrom a tobacco company, and i could use your helpas a consultant... explaining these documentsto me. now, my number isarea code 510-555-0199. i'll be there at this numberin ten minutes. [ hangs up ] [ phone rings ] [ beeps ]
if you're curiousto meet me, i'm gonna be in the lobbyof the seelbach hotelin louisville... reading the new york timestomorrow at 5:00. [ elevator bell dings ] [ bergman ]have you alwayslived in louisville ? mr. bergman, what did youwant me to consult about ? - [ knock on door ]- who's that ? that's room service. they usuallyknock first.
come on in. over here, please. - thank you.- how do you like your coffee ? black ? black. black. look, i really don't havethat much time.[ clears throat ] is there anythingyou want to knowabout me, mr. wigand ? like what ?your sign ? i know what ihave to know. just so i know you know,when i talk to peoplein confidence,
it stays that way. how did the radical journalistfrom ramparts magazineend up at cbs ? i still dothe tough stories. 60 minutes reachesa lot of people. let me seethe documents. this is a, um, fire safety product studyfor phillip morris. burn rates,ignition propensity,things of this nature. i could very easily explain thisto you in layman's terms...
because it's fromanother company. but that's as faras i go. as far as you go where ? this issue isa drop in the bucket. i can talk to youabout what's in here,but i-- i can't talk to youabout anything else. i signeda confidentiality agreement.i honor agreements. doesn't cbs haveconfidentiality agreements,mr. bergman ? between journalistsand management,yes, i believe they do.
but i don'ttake that seriously.where do you work ? did work. - did work ?- how much would i get paid ? that you have to discusswith cbs business affairs. but for something like this,i would say anywhere betweenten, 12 thousand. should i just takethe documents now ? if you want to do it. i worked as a, uh, head of research and developmentfor brown & williamson.
tobacco company. i was a corporatevice president. mr. bergman. [ wallace on television ]president assad of syria said... that difficult obstacles remain,but that his country, "looks forward to a great long peace with israel." [ static ] that's a peabody,mike. when you're dead and buried,this is the one they'regonna remember you by.
[ chattering ] - are you eating with us ?- yeah. bring a tie so they let usin the front door. come on. debbie ! [ man ]hey, lowell. oh, bill. main justiceis investigatinga major new york bank... laundering narco dollarsout of their mexico city branch. you want it for the news ?
what about you ?you got a crew already ? - i'm gonna do a follow-up. catch you later.- okay. debbie. how are you ? i want you to get legalon a corporate confidentialityagreement. boundaries of theirconstraint, kentucky state law about-- i want you to drop everything. i don't have any change.you got some change ?
oh, here. tony. [ vacuum whirring ] [ whirring continues ] [ man ] mr. wigand ? you can go up now. [ quiet chattering ] sorry. i'm acceptingan award... from the retinitispigmentosa foundation. it's gonna killthe rest of my day.
so, have you had a chanceto play golf ? jeff's a premier golfer.what are you, a two handicap ? seven. and he gets out there... and he hasfive strokes on us. he has more concentrationthan anybody i've ever met. it's spookyhow he can concentrate. i'd rather playthan talk about it. what did youwant to see me about ?
i don't likebeing back here. jeffrey says exactlywhat's on his mind. most people considerwhat they're saying--social skills. jeffrey just chargesright ahead. now, i know youunderstood the nature ofthe confidentiality portion... of your severance agreementwith brown & williamson. chapter and verse. yeah, i know you do. you know, i came upthrough sales.
one of the reasonsi was a great salesman... was i never made a promisei couldn't keep. i knew that if i everbroke my promise, i'd sufferthe consequence. is that a threat ? we worked together for--what was it, three years ? now, the work we did hereis confidential, not forpublic scrutiny... any more thanone's family matters. you're threateningmy family now too ?
[ chuckles ]now, don't beparanoid, jeff. about the direction of researchhere, we may have hadour differences, but-- research. you declareas a badge of honor you don'teven know what makes water boil. well, that's whywe hire scientists. [ scoffs ]okay. i don't believethat you can maintaincorporate integrity... withoutconfidentiality agreements. i was paid wellfor my work, the health and welfarebenefits are good,
the severance packageis fair. i have no intentionof violatingmy confidentiality agreement... and disclosing thatwhich i said i wouldn't. i appreciateall that, jeff, but upon reflection,we've decided to expand ourzone of comfort with you, so we've drafteda supplementto your agreement. it broadly defines and expands in more detail... what is confidential. nobody will be ableto say, "well, hell's bells,margaret,
i didn't know thatwas a secret." we're very seriousabout protectingour interests. we'd like youto sign it. and if i don't ? if we arrive at the conclusionthat you're acting in bad faith, we would terminate right nowpayoffs under yourseverance package, you and your family's medicalbenefits and initiate litigationagainst you, mr. wigand. - dr. wigand.- dr. wigand. if you've examined the document,you'll see it's in your ownbest interest...
and you'll sign it. so, what you're saying isit isn't enough that youfired me for no good reason. now you questionmy integrity ? on top of the humiliationof being fired,you threaten me, you threatenmy family. it never crossed my mindnot to honor my agreement. i will tell you, mr. sandefur,and brown & williamson too-- fuck me ?well, fuck you ! i'm not surehe got the message.
oh, i think he did. - yeah.- you fucked me ! - who's this.- protect your sources ? you screwed me. you sold me out. - what are you talking about ? where are you ?- fuck you too ! [ ball clanging ] [ ball clattering ] [ hits ball ] [ breathing deeply ]
[ engine starts ] stay away from me. you stay away from me ! jeffrey, you forgotthe lunches ! mrs. wigand ? jump in quick.come on. how do you do ?i'm lowell bergman.we spoke on the phone. come here.i want to talk to you. good. i want to talk to you.
this is my house. in frontof my wife, my kids ? i did not burn you. i did not give you upto anyone. what business do we have ? i'm here to straightensomething out with you. right here, right now. you haven't mentioned my name ?you haven't talked to anybodyabout me ? what am i gonna mentionyour name for ? why are brown & williamson--
how the hell do i know aboutbrown & williamson ? it happened justafter i talked to you.i do not like coincidences. well, i don't likeparanoid accusations.i'm a journalist. think. use your head. how do ioperate as a journalist ?by screwing the people... who could provide mewith information beforethey provided me with it ? you came all the waydown here to tell me that ? no, i did not. big tobaccois a big story, and you got somethingimportant to say--i can tell.
but yes, i did.i came all the way down hereto tell you-- story, no story--fuck your story. i don't burn people. [ engine starts ] ride with me while itake the girls to school. [ wigand ]my little girlhas acute asthma. deborah, my oldest daughter. and i'm unemployed,so i have to protectmy medical coverage. so i left them a messagethis morning. their expandedconfidentiality agreement--
i will sign it. they're afraid of you,aren't they ? they should be. talk to me outside the zoneof your agreement. like what ? like, uh, where'd you workbefore brown & williamson ? johnson & johnson. union carbide in japan. i was the general managerand director of new products.i speak japanese.
i was a directorof corporate developmentat pfizer. all health-related. what elseoutside the zone ? i don't know. do you thinkthe knicks are gonna make itto the semifinals ? [ barge approaching, departing ] just give me an example. for example, um,james burke. c.e.o. ofjohnson & johnson. when he found out thatsome lunatic had put poisonin tylenol bottles,
he didn't arguewith the f.d.a. he didn't even waitfor the f.d.a. to tell him.he just pulled tylenol... off every shelf of every storeright across america,instantly. [ chuckles ]and then he developeda safety cap. because as a c.e.o.,sure, he's gotta bea great businessman, right ? but he's alsoa man of science. he's not gonna allow his companyto put on the shelf a productthat might hurt people. not likethe seven dwarfs. seven dwarfs ?
seven c.e.o.'sof big tobacco. they got in front ofcongress that time.it was on television. yeah, yeah, yeah. swore under oath that they knownothing about addiction-- it was on c-span.yeah. okay, so, here you are.you-you-you go to workfor tobacco. you come fromcorporate cultureswhere research-- really creative thinking--these are core values. you go to tobacco.tobacco is a sales culture-- market and sellenormous volume, go toa lot of golf tournaments.
the hell with everything else.what are you doing ? why are you workingfor tobacco in the first place ? i can't talk about it. [ laughs ] the work i wassupposed to do... might have hadsome positive effect,i don't know. could have been beneficial.mostly, i got paid a lot. i took the money.my wife was happy. my kids had good medical,good schools.got a great house.
i mean, what the hellis wrong with that ? nothing's wrong with that.that's it.you're making money. you're providingfor your family. whatcould be wrong with that ? i always thought of myselfas a man of science,that's what's wrong with it. then you're ina state of conflict, jeff. because look,here's how it lays out. if you've got vitalinsider stuff, the american people,for their welfare,really do need to know, and you feel impelledto disclose it...
and violate your agreementin doing so, that's one thing. on the other hand,if you want to honorthis agreement, then that's simple--you do so. you say nothing, you do nothing. there's only one guywho can figure that out for you, and that's youall by yourself. i gotta go pick up the girls.they only had a half a day. [ man ]i've heard virtually all the--we touched on it-- - yes or no, do you believe nicotine is not addictive ?- [ man ] congressman,
cigarettes and nicotine clearlydo not meet the classicdefinitions of addiction. there is no intoxication. [ congressman ]we'll take that as a no. [ chuckling ] [ congressman ]again, time is short. i think each of you believenicotine is not addictive... and just would like tohave this for the record. i believe that nicotineis not addictive. i too believethat nicotine--
he referred to this-- the seven dwarfs-- - what seven dwarfs ?- the seven c.e.o. of big tobacco-- referred to this. said they should be afraidof him. i assume afraid ofwhat he could reveal. now, you tell me.what does this guy have to saythat threatens these people ? well, it isn't cigarettesare bad for you. hardly new news. no shit. - what's this ?- what that is is tobacco's standard defense. it's the "we don't know"litany.
addiction ? we believe not.disease ? we don't know. we take a bunch of leaves,we roll them together,you smoke 'em. after that,you're on your own.we don't know. so, thattells me nothing. - besides, you'll never get what he's got.- why not ? because of this guy'sconfidentiality agreement, he's never gonna be ableto talk to you. that's not good enough.this guy is the top scientist... in the number threetobacco company in america.
he's a corporate officer.you never get whistle-blowersfrom fortune 500 companies. this guy isthe ultimate insider. he's got something to say.he wants to say it.i want it on "60 minutes." doesn't matter what he wants. [ wallace ] am i missing something here ? what do you mean, mike ? he's got a corporatesecrecy agreement. give me a break. this is a public health issue,like an unsafe air frameon a passenger jet...
or some company dumping cyanideinto the east river. issues like that.he can talk, we can air it. they've got no right to hidebehind a corporate agreement.pass the milk. they don't need the right. they got the money. the unlimited checkbook.that's how big tobacco wins... every timeon everything. they spend you to death.$600 million a yearin outside legal. chadbourne-park,ken starr's firm,kirkland and ellis. listen, g.m. and ford,they get nailed...
after 11 or 12 pickupsblow up, right ? these clowns have never--i mean ever-- [ man ] not even once. not even with hundredsof thousands dying each yearfrom an illness... related to their product have ever lost a personal injury lawsuit. on this case, they'll issuegag orders, sue for breach--anticipatory breach-- and join him,you, us, his pet dog,the dog's veterinarian, tie 'em up in litigation for tenor 15 years, i'm telling you,they bat a thousand. every time. he knows that.that's why he's notgonna talk to you.
okay, let's look through the looking glass the other way. what do you mean ? we got a guywho wants to talk,but he's constrained. what if he werecompelled to talk ? oh, torture. great ratings. [ chuckles ]what do you mean,"compelled" ? i mean, compelledby a, uh, justice department. state courts.be a witness. that would cut throughany confidentiality agreement,wouldn't it ?
- what does that do ?- what do you mean, what does it do ? what i mean is like,how does it cut throughthe confidentiality agreement ? because he has to, uh,reveal it in a court of law. it's on record. it's out. it's no secret anymore. so how can they restrainhis speech or retaliate ?it's out in the world. if you could engineer itinto the court record,you might have something. they would have a hell of a timetrying to restrain his speechthen, wouldn't they ? yeah, but what venue ?and where does he get--does he have killer attorneys ? i don't think he's gotany attorneys.
he's gonna need attorneyswho aren't afraid of riskingyears of litigation... and millions of dollarsof their own doughin legal costs. what do you say, mike ? what do you think ? even if he getsthe defense team, will he go for it ? you're awfullyoverqualified, dr. wigand. i'm trying to starta new career. i believe i could bea good teacher. let me give itsome thought.
and not a lot of companiesin the health care fieldhire ex-tobacco scientists. it's whereour babies were born. debbie took her first stepsright there on-- in the grass. i didn't plan on this. hey, hey, hey. come on. come on. we can make thiswork for us. okay ? it's just-- it's not--
it's just-- it's a smaller scale. simpler, easier. more time. more time together. more timewith the kids. more time for us.okay ? it's just-- can you imagine mecoming home from some job... feeling goodat the end of the day ? this is gonna be better. ♪♪ [ radio ]
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hey, baby.what's wrong ? who's that outside,daddy ? did you see somebodyor did you hear them ? i heard him. where ? in the backyard. sit at daddy's desk, okay ?why don't you sit upat the desk. all right ?[ clears throat ] get out some paper,and draw me a picture. okay ?
what are you gonna draw me,baby ? an animal ?something like that ? you stay down hereuntil daddy gets back,all right, barbara ? you stay down here. you almost gotyour damn head blown off. daddy ! it was just a racoon, baby.nothin'. they're nocturnal.you know what that means ? that means that theyonly come out at nighttime. - yeah.- lowell. jeffrey wigand.
is it too late ? no, no, it's okay. i-- how-how's the new place ? the new place ?new. - you okay ?- sure. i was thinking ofcalling you tomorrow anyway. - uh, how's your kids, uh, handling the new house ?- good. you got kids ? we have a couple.
one's hers, one's mine.everybody uses a different name. modern marriage. uh, how's liane ? uh, she's okay. uh-- hold on a minute. lowell. somebody may be following me.i-i don't know.they came on the property. what do you mean,following you ?did you call the police ? i-i don't wanna beparanoid. i mean--
maybe it's a game.some kind of mind game. what do you really think ? i don't know what the fuck i really think. are they doing it ?is some crank doing it ? are they doing itto make me feel paranoid ? are they doing it for realand don't give a shitwhat i think ? i don't know. - i don't fuckin' know.- jeffrey, describe for me... in detail what happened. well--
no. i mean, look, there wasa footprint. forget it. it's probablynot important at all. you know, i got a job now.i'm teaching high school.japanese and chemistry. uh, so, uh, what were youcalling about ? - you called me.- no, you said you were gonna call me tomorrow. - so, what about ?- oh, yes, yes, yes. i did. i wanted to talk to you. i wanted to hook up with you,talk to you about what we weretalking about in your car. it makes you feel good,putting what you know to use ? - how'd you know that, lowell ?- it's obvious, isn't it ?
hello ?are you there ? look, um-- thanks for talking.i'm sorry i woke you up. i didn't know. it's okay. [ static on phone line ] who is this ? do not call here ! do not-- [ wigand speaking japanese ]
[ waitress speaking japanese ] [ japanese ] what are yougonna get us ? tempura. [ laughing ] the internet said you didgraduate work at wisconsin, then went to u.c. la jollawith professor herbert ? marcus-- marcuse. yeah.
he was my mentor. he had a major influenceon the new leftin the late-'60s. and on me, personally. next to your father ? my father ? what the hell's that gotto do with my father ? i, uh--[ clears throat ] is that why you becamea journalist ? then youget to ask all the questions ? you charge by the hour ?
my father was a--[ clears throat ]a mechanical engineer. most ingenious mani ever knew. my father left uswhen i was five years old. he was notthe most ingenious mani ever knew. let's get back tobrown & williamson. if youdecide to go on 60 minutes, i gotta know everythingabout why you were fired. why ? they're gonna dig upstuff from your past. they're gonna throw it at you.i gotta know what they'regonna throw.
you understand ? i drink. couple of occasionsmore than i should have. um-hmm. i was cited for shopliftingonce, but it was a mistake. pushed liane one time.we were both stressed outbecause of the pressure. she went to her mother's.[ clears throat ] i got, uh, fired,because, uh, when i get angry, i havedifficulty censoring myself,
and i don't liketo be pushed around. i'm not pushing you around. i'm asking you questions. i'm just a commodityto you, aren't i ? i could be anything, right ?anything worth putting onbetween commercials. to a network, probably,we're all commodities. to me, you're not a commodity.what you are is important. you go public,and 30 million peoplehear what you gotta say, nothing-- i mean nothing--will ever be the same again. you believe that ?
no. you should.because when you're doneand judgement... is gonna go down inthe court of public opinion,my friend. and that's...the power you have. i believe that ? - yes, i believe that.- you believe that... because you get information outto people, something happens ? maybe that's just whatyou've been telling yourselfall these years... to justify having a good job.
having status. maybe for the audienceit's just voyeurism, somethingto do on a sunday night. maybe it won'tchange a fuckin' thing, and people like myself and my family... are left hung out to dry,used up, broke, alone. are you talking to me,or did somebody else justwalk in here ? i never-- [ both talking at once ] don't evadea choice you gotta makeby questioning my reputation... or 60 minuteswith this cheap skepticism.
i have toput my family's welfareon the line here, my friend. what are you putting up ?you're putting up words. "words." while you've beendicking around some fuckingcompany golf tournaments, i've been out in the worldgivin' my word... and backing it upwith action. now, are you gonna goand do this thing or not ? i said i'd call the kidsbefore they went to bed. [ bergman ] stringer wassupposed to be shooting b-rollon street cops in new orleans.
what's with all the horses ? [ man ] camera guy's gota thing about mounted police. don't any of these guysride in cars ? walk ? how long are these things ? what was he saying ? hello. yes, i'm tryingto reach mr. richard scruggs. this is richard scruggs. can you hold ona second, please ? lowell, got himon the phone.
- hello, i'm lowell bergman.- hold on. mobile approach, this isleo-november-643, over. [ radio: indistinct ] request a flight levelof 220... on a headingof 284 degrees, over. - mr. bergman ?- yes, i'm right here. - could you call me back on a hard line ?- all right. - area code 212-555-0199.- i'll call you then. [ bergman muttering ]what do we do with that ?
- i don't know.- [ phone ringing ] richard scruggs. you filed a lawsuitagainst tobacco on behalfof the state of mississippi. did you not ? that's right. i'm working with someone nowwho's the former head ofresearch at brown & williamson. former corporate officer there. what's your interestin this, mr. bergman ? well, he may tapean interview with us,
and we believeif his testimony showed upin a court record first, it would free him up from hisconfidentiality agreementand give him some protection. it could work.if it's public record,it's public record. yeah, and he's gonna needlegal representation. [ chuckling ]he sure as hell will. has he decidedto go public ? because let me tell ya.we been doin' thisfor three years now, and we've worked witha lot of corporate casesinvolving whistle-blowers. so we know big tobaccowill do everythingin their power to stop him.
so is your mantruly committed ? well, actually, no--well, he's on the fence.that's the point. well, we'dcertainly be interestedin making his acquaintance. but without knowingwhat he's gonna do-- well, would you want him to callyou, or you wanna call him ?how do you wanna do it ? it would be betterif he called us. yeah. okay. all right ? okay. thank you.shit.
we need cops on the streets. we don't need them on horses. i don't know whathe was thinking. for god's sake. - this guy got a horse fetish ?- all right, all right. get me, uh--get me to new orleansthis afternoon. i'll shootthe fucking thing myself ! have a good one. [ man ]all right. [ man on radio: indistinct ]
[ girl ] what are you cooking ? - i'm cooking pasta primavera.- oh, i love that stuff. [ beeping ] i'm going tohave to go downstairs. [ beeping continues ] [ beeping continues ] [ clicks mouse, beeping stops ] jeffrey ! jeffrey ! jeffrey !
jeffrey ! jeffrey ! - [ man ] what happened ?- dispatcher received a call. shots fired in the area. uniforms arrived on the scene,found this white male subjectshot to death. was it gang related ? there's no indication... as far as a tagor an advertisement. they're terrorizing us.death threats.my family, my kids. whoa. what are youtalking about ? - someone put a bullet in my mailbox.- jeff, call the f.b.i.
right away. they do this with impunity. - jeff--- they get to go home at night. what does it cost these peopleto do this to us ? nothing ! my girls are crying.so fuck them. i wanna tape.i'm done-- i heard you. i gotta arrangefor a legal defense first. i gotta get youto testify in court,get it on public record.
then hold it off the airuntil you got that, buti wanna go to new york, and i wanna go on the record...right now. - good. but, jeff--- i'll call them, lowell. [ phone beeps ] did you handle the round,mr. wigand ? yes, i'm afraid i did. we won't be able to liftusable prints. do you own a gun,mr. wigand ? - a gun ? yes.- what caliber is your gun ?
what caliber is my gun ? yes, sir.what caliber is your gun ? what does that have to dowith the price of tea in china ? [ crying ] you think i put the bulletin the mailbox myself ? if we couldtake a look, mr. wigand. why do you keep this gun ? i don't think it'sunconstitutional yet to owna gun. i'm a target shooter. that bullet wasfor a .38 caliber.do you own a .38 ?
yes, i do. a .38 target master in my gun safe downstairs. a .45 gold cupa .22 target pistol.so what ? do you have a historyof emotional problems,mr. wigand ? yeah. yes, i do. yes, i get extremely emotionalwhen assholes put bulletsin my mailbox. i didn't tell you thatso you could pick it upand take it away. - jeffrey !- what's going on ? i told them you had an e-maildeath threat that told you... if you didn'tshut the "f" up,they were gonna kill you.
you can't take that.it's personal property.my personal correspondence, letters to my brother,my will. [ engine starting ] [ coughing ] you all right ? [ dog barking ] that computer hasevery single-- [ agent ]you all right, mr. wigand ? we need to take a lookat your gun safe,mr. wigand.
i'm telling you...your agents in that officeare acting improperly. now who are theytrying to protect ? let me ,tell you something,lowell. look, look. you're talking about two agentsin a regional officein louisville. i got the goddamned unabomberthreatening to blow up l.a.x. i gotta move 45 agentsfrom all over the countryinto l.a. all right ?when i get a chance,i'll give it a look. [ bergman ]you better take a good lookbecause i'm getting two things: pissed off and curious !
now, any of these guysbeen offered jobs in corporatesecurity after they retire ? either one of those guysgot ex-agent palsalready in those jobs ? like, for instance,their ex-supervisor who'salready at brown & williamson... as we fuckin' speak ! - i'll give it a look.- you're getting my drift ? i'll give it a look. [ bergman ]so is everything okay ? how are the rooms ?comfortable ? yes, very.
do you know,i enjoy your work so much. when you're talkin'to somebody, i always feellike i'm right there. [ chuckling ]thank you for saying that. do you think we couldtalk about the taping ? tomorrow's taping ?just so we can get itout of the way and order. yeah, well, questions will gotowards what work you did there,why you were fired and other-- taping ? what are you taping ? i'm doin' an interview.
an interview ? do you know whatthey will do to us ? i thought we-- i'm sorry. liane, this isa preliminary-- you didn'ttell her we were taping ? what did she think she wascoming to new york for ? talk about it, think about it.i had a plan to,uh, ease her into it, but i really--i don't know how to do that.
oh, man. who are these people ? ordinary people underextraordinary pressure, mike. what the hell you expect,grace and consistency ? [ crew chattering ] [ stage manager ] five, four, three, two-- [ wallace ]you heard mr. sandefur say... before congress that he believednicotine was not addictive. i believe mr. sandefurperjured himself...
because i watched thosetestimonies very carefully. [ wallace ]all of us did. i mean, therewas this whole line of people, whole line of c.e.o.'s up there swearing. part of the reasoni'm here is that i felt... that their representationclearly misstated-- at least withinbrown & williamson'srepresentation-- clearly misstatedwhat is common languagewithin the company. we are inthe nicotine delivery business. and that's whatcigarette's are for.
delivery device for nicotine. a delivery devicefor nicotine. put it in your mouth,light it up and you'regoing to get your fix. - you're gonna get your fix.- you're saying that brown & williamson... manipulates and adjusts the nicotine fix... not by artificiallyadding nicotine, but by enhancingthe effect of nicotine... through the use of chemical elements such as ammonia. the process is knownas impact boosting.
while not spiking nicotine, they clearly manipulate it. there is extensive useof this technology,known as ammonia chemistry. it allows for the nicotineto be more rapidly absorbedin the lung... and therefore affect the brain and central nervous system. the straw that broke the camel'sback for me and really put mein trouble with sandefur... was a compound called coumarin. when i came on boardat b&w, they had triedto transition from coumarinto a similar flavor...
that would give the same tasteand had been unsuccessful. i wanted it out immediately. i was told... that it would effect sales, soi should mind my own business. i constructed a memoto mr. sandefur indicatingi could not in conscience... continue with coumarinin a product that we now knew-- we had documentation--was similar to coumadin,a lung-specific carcinogen. and you sent the documentforward to sandefur ? i sent the documentforward to sandefur. i was told that we wouldcontinue to workon a substitute.
we weren't going to remove itas it would impact salesand that that was his decision. [ wallace ] in other words, you are charging sandefur... and brown & williamson... with ignoring healthconsiderations consciously ? - most certainly.- and on march 24, thomas sandefur,c.e.o. of brown & williamson, had you fired. and the reason he gave you ? poor communication skills.
and you wishyou hadn't come forward ? you wish you hadn'tblown the whistle ? yeah, there are timesi wish i hadn't done it. there are times i feel com--compelled to do it. if you'd asked me... would i do it again,do i think it's worth it ? yeah, i think it's worth it. [ chattering subsides ] hi.
[ students ]hi. my name is jeff wigand. you can call me, uh,mr. wigand. you can call medr. wigand. i have a ph.d. in biochemistryand endocrinology. you can call me jeff. anything else youwant to call me, you'llhave to do so in private. [ laughter ] um, okay.
i find chemistryto be magical. i find it an adventure. an exploration intothe building blocksof our physical universe. so how many of you havetaken chemistry before ? okay. i've never taught itbefore, so we're gonna be fine. our first experimentis gonna be measuring... the molecular weightof butane. he's on line three. [ students chattering ]
mr. scruggs ?jeff wigand. lowell bergman saidi should give you a call. my co-counsel,ron motley and i, have filed a lawsuit againstthe tobacco industry on behalfof the state of mississippi... to get the statereimbursed medicaid costs... for treatin' peoplewith smoking-related illness. if you'd be interestedin talkin' to us, we'd certainly liketo talk to you. when should we do this ?
who the hell are you ?what are you doing in my house ? - it's okay, jeff. it's okay.- mr. wigand, you need to speak to-- you've gotyour own security now. you know, lowell,i can't-- i can't afford to-- no, they volunteered.a friend owns a largesecurity company. how're you doing, mr. wigand ?i'm john telafarro. there'll be three of uson the detail. i'm going to the store.please explain our newhouseguests to your children. - mrs. wigand's leaving the house.- [ door opens, closes ]
uh, i called richard scruggsin mississippi. i heard. i'm gonna be a witness for themin their litigation. so i'm gonna fly to pascagoula,give a deposition. i know. i'm gonnago there tonight. [ wigand ] you all right ? - did you have a good day ?- yes, i did. i had a great day. uh, coffee, lowell ? yeah, all right.
wanna play that gamewe were playing before ? you know, i think yougot it up to five. i was ahead of you, and then you just-- [ water running ] please don't wash your handsin the sink. where should i wash them ? use the bathroom. what's the difference ? that's for food.
[ turns off water ] leave it on.just leave it on ! okay ? i don't think i can do this. i want to stand bymy husband. i really do, jeffrey,but... i don't think i cando this anymore. i am so sorry. can we talk about thiswhen i get back ? yes, jeffrey.
- [ telafarro ] it's okay.- [ man on p.a.: indistinct ] jeff ! you've been served. now, what this one is isa temporary restraining order, a gag order,issued by a kentucky court. jeff wigand,michael moore. good to meet you,dr. wigand. mike's our attorney generaldown here. i was just explaining to jeffthey got a kentucky court...
to issue a gag order to stop his deposition today. right. now, they tried to getthe mississippi courtto honor it, but the judge threw it out. however, for you, there isa more perilous effectof the gag order. dr. wigand, you dounderstand what canhappen, don't you ? i'm not free to testify...here. that's right. if you violatethe kentucky order,
when youstep foot back in kentucky... they can find you in contemptand they can incarcerate you. and you ought to know that. jail. possibly, yes. that is oneof the possible consequencesof your testifying here today. how does-- how doesone go to jail ? wh-what does my family do ? go on welfare ?
if my wifehas to work, who's gonnalook after the kids ? put food on the table ?i mean, my children need me. if i'm not teaching,there's no medical. no medical, even on co-pay,that's like-- tuition-- dr. wigand, listen. you may not be ableto do this thing. as i understand from dick,you're our key witness, and i hopeyou don't withdraw. um, i guess we'd allunderstand if you did.
guys, i gotta go.i'm gonna be late for court. i'll see y'all later.dr. wigand, good luck. [ door slides open, closes ] i know what you're facing,jeff. and i think i knowhow you're feeling. in the navy, i flewa-6's off carriers. in combat, events havea duration of seconds. sometimes minutes. but what you're going throughgoes on day in, day out,
whether you'reready for it or not. week in, week out. month after monthafter month. whether you're upor whether you're down. you're assaultedfinancially, you're aa which is its own special kindof violence because it'sdirected at your kids. what school can you afford ? how will thataffect their lives ?
you're asking yourself, "will that limit what they may become ?" you feelyour whole family's futureis compromised, held hostage. i do know how it is. you attract a crowd. yeah.great. i heard aboutthe kentucky gag order. i don't know what to do.
[ reporters chattering ] [ reporters shouting questions ] [ crowd chattering, laughing ] hold on a second. would you please askmr. motley if he expecthis witness to appear or not. [ man on police radio: indistinct ] i can't seem to findthe criteria to decide. it's too big a decision to makewithout being resolvedin my own mind. maybe things have changed.
a lot's changed. you mean since this morning ? no, i mean since whenever. fuck it. let's go to court. [ scruggs ] dr. wigand would like to leave now. - [ officers chattering ]- [ engines starting ] [ no audio ] okay, jeff.i'm gonna sit you downat that table over there.
i want to startas fast as possible. i don't want to give thema chance to get anotherrestraining order. okay ? let's go. good luck, doc. please stand.raise your right hand. do you swear to tell the truth,the whole truth and nothingbut the truth, so help you god ? [ wigand ] i do. [ stenographer ]you may be seated. you understand, dr. wigand, you are under oath ?
this is a sworn deposition.there's no judge.it's not a trial. will you state your namefor the record ? jeffrey s. wigand.r-e-y. w-i-g-a-n-d. got any idea what'sgoing on in there ? no, i don't havea clue. that is correct. in other words,it acts as a drug, - object to the form of the question.- it acts as a drug-- - object to the form--- it acts as a drug--
- object !- is there an echo in here ? your objection's been recorded. she typed it into herlittle machine over there.it's on the record. so now i'll proceedwith my depositionof my witness. - does it act as a drug ?- dr. wigand ! i am instructing you... not to answer that question. in accordance to the terms ofthe contractual obligations... undertaken by you...
not to discloseany information... about your workat the brown & williamsontobacco company. and in accordancewith the force and effect... of the temporaryrestraining order... that has been entered against you... by the court in the state of kentucky. that means you don't talk. mr. motley, we have rights here. oh, you've got rights.
and lefts.ups and downs and middles. so what ? you don't getto instruct anythingaround here ! this is not north carolina,not south carolina,nor kentucky. this is the sovereign stateof mississippi's proceeding. wipe that smirk off your face ! dr. wigand's depositionwill be part of this record ! and i'm gonna take my witness'testimony whether the hellyou like it or not ! answer the question,doctor. yes. it producesa physiological response, whichmeets the definition of a drug.
um, nicotineis associated with... impact, satisfaction. it has a pharmacologicaleffect that crossesthe blood-brain barrier intact. [ motley ]thank you, doctor. thank you. ♪♪ [ vocalizing ] one of the reasonsi'm here is that i felt... that their representationclearly-- run that sandefur pieceon "nicotine's not addictive." run that on camera,then cut right to wigandwith "i believe they perjured--"
then go wide to the c.e.o.sall taking the oath. then back on jeff... and play the pauseafter the word "felt"on the b-side. hell of a show, mike.explosive material. - it went great in mississippi, mike.- good. i heard wigand's depositiongot sealed. yeah. they argued that he was goingto reveal the secret formulaof kools to the world. [ bergman ] sealed doesn't hurt scruggs' litigation,
and since we're the only oneswith the story, i believewe're sitting on an exclusive. - i like that.- [ hewitt ] corporate has some questions. we've got a meeting at "black rock" first thing in the morning. - when's the air date ?- lowell, sharon's on line three. - tell her i'll call her back in ten.- [ editor ] here we go. [ wallace's voice on tv ]that they had long known thatthe nicotine in tobacco... is an addictive drugdespite their public statementsto the contrary. like the testimonybefore congressof dr. wigand's former boss, brown & williamson'schief executive officer,thomas sandefur.
[ wallace's voice ]all of us did. there wasthis whole line of people, whole line of c.e.o.'sup there all swearing. [ wigand's voice ]part of the reason i'm hereis that i felt... that their representationclearly misstated... what is common languagewithin the company. we are in the nicotinedelivery business. there is extensive useof this technology,known as ammonia chemistry. it allows for the nicotineto be more rapidly absorbedin the lung... and thereforeaffect the brainand central nervous system.
-[ wallace ] that's what cigarettes are for.-delivery device for nicotine. [ wallace ]a delivery device for nicotine.put it in your mouth, light it up andyou're going to get your fix. you're going to get your fix. - shall i send for coffee ? sorry i'm late.- [ wallace ] no, we're fine. - are you sure ?- [ bergman ] yeah. all right. i thoughtwe'd get together... because there'sa legal concept... that has been gettingsome new attention recently.
tortious interference. if two peoplehave an agreement, likea confidentiality agreement, and one of them breaks itbecause they are inducedto do so by a third party, the third party can be suedfor damages for interfering. hence, tortious interference. "interfering" ?that's what we do ? i think what we're tryingto tell you is thatit happens all the time. this is a news organization.people are always telling usthings they shouldn't. we have to verify if it's trueand in the public interest.and if it is, we air it.
and after we corroborate it.that's why we've never losta lawsuit and run a classy show. anything else ? and 60 minutes' verificationis exact and precise. and i don't think it would hurtto make sure you're righton this one. [ hewitt ] why ? you think we have liability ? what's the cbs news position,eric ? there's a possibility.it's rather remote. but one wehave to check on, mike. i've retained outside counselto do exactly that...
on a segment,i might add, that'salready rife with problems. what does that mean ?"rife with--" i'm told unusual promiseswere made to wigand. no, only that we wouldhold his story until itwas safe for him. and i'm told thereare questions as toour star witness' veracity. his "veracity" was good enoughfor the state of mississippi. our standards have to behigher than anyone else's, because we are the standardfor everybody else. well, as a "standard,"i'll hang with "is this guytelling the truth ?"
well,with tortious interference,i'm afraid... the greater the truth, the greater the damage. - come again ?- they own... the information he's disclosing. the truer it is, the greater the damage to them. if he lied, he didn'tdisclose their information,and the damages are smaller. is this alice in wonderland ? you said "on this one."
what about this one ? if this holds up--and it very wellmay not, mike. but if it didand we aired this segment, and cbs was suedby brown & williamson, i think we could beat grave risk. how grave ? well, at the end of the day, because of your segment, the brown & williamsontobacco company...
could own cbs. - [ beeping ]- oh. you know, i am sorry,but i'm due upstairs. is cbs corporatetelling cbs news... "do not go to air with this story" ? you're gettingahead of yourself.we're all in this together. we're all cbs.we'll find out soon. thank you, gentlemen. "tortious interference."
that sounds like a diseasecaught by a radio. [ hewitt ] lunch ? sure. don't worry.we call the shotsaround here. [ dialing phone ] [ ringing ] debbie, it's me. i wantyou to check some filings, and give me john wilson's numberat bear-stearn. [ bergman ] what now ?
kluster's coming over. [ man ] hello, lowell, mike. [ door closes ] don. there has beenso much soul searchingabout this wigand. i've decided we should cutan alternate version ofthe show without his interview. so what happenedto ms. caperelli's checkingwith outside counsel first ? all that crap ? that's happening.
hopefully, we won't have to usethe alternate, but we shouldhave it in the can. i'm not touching my film. i'm afraid you are. - no, i'm not.- we're doing this with or without you, lowell. if you like, i canassign another producerto edit your show. since when has the, uh, paragon ofinvestigative journalism... allowed lawyers to determinethe news content on 60 minutes ? [ hewitt ] it's an alternate version.
so what if we havean alternate version ? and i don't thinkour being cautiousis so damned unreasonable. so now, if you willexcuse me, gentlemen, mr. rather's been complainingabout his chair again. before you go, i discovered this. s.e.c. filing for the saleof cbs corporationto westinghouse corporation. - what ?- yeah, i heard rumors. it's not a rumor. it's a sale.if tisch can unload cbs...
for $81 a shareto westinghouse, and then issuddenly threatened... with a multi-billion dollarlawsuit from brown & williamson, that could screw up the sale,could it not ? -[ kluster ] what are you implying ?-i'm not implying. i'm quoting. uh, "more vested interests.persons who will profitfrom this merger. "ms. helen caperelli, general counsel of cbs news, 3.9 million. "mr. eric kluster, president of cbs news, 1.4 million."
[ hewitt ]are you suggesting that she anderic are influenced by money ? no, no, of course they're notinfluenced by money.they work for free. and you are a volunteerexecutive producer. cbs does not do that.and you're questioningour journalistic integrity. no, i'm questioningyour hearing. you hear "reasonable"and "tortious interference." i hear "potential brown& williamson lawsuit... jeopardizing the saleof cbs to westinghouse." i hear "shut the segment down.cut wigand loose.
obey orders and fuck off."that's what i hear. [ hewitt ] your exaggerating. i am ? you pay meto go get guys like wigand, to draw him out,to get him to trust us,to get him to go on television. i do. i deliver him.he sits. he talks. he violates his own fuckingconfidentiality agreement. and he's onlythe key witness in the biggestpublic health reform issue, maybe the biggest,most expensive...
corporate malfeasance casein u.s. history. and jeffrey wigand,who's out on a limb, does he go on televisionand tell the truth ? yes.is it newsworthy ? yes.are we gonna air it ? of course not. why ? because he's nottelling the truth ? no. because he is tellingthe truth. that's whywe're not gonna air it. and the more truth he tells,the worse it gets.
[ hewitt ]you are a fanatic, an anarchist.you know that ? if we can't have a whole show,then i want half a showrather than no show. but, oh, no. not you. youwon't be satisfied unless you'reputting the company at risk ! what are you ?are you a businessmanor are you a newsman ? because that happens to bewhat mike and i... and some other peoplearound here do for a living. lowell-- put the corporation at risk ?give me a fucking break ! these people areputting our whole reason...
for doing what we doon the line ! lowell ! what ? i'm with donon this. [ door opens, closes ] what's wrong ? they're killingthe wigand interview. they're pretending it's process.that's bullshit. it's foregone. what are you and mikegonna do ?
i'm alone on this. oh, baby. it's jeffrey wigand. jeffrey.how are you ? how's the family ?okay ? there is-- there is no family. what do you mean,"there is no family" ? uh, liane has filed for divorce. and, so,i've moved out.
i see the girlsa couple of days a week. where are you staying now ? our favorite hotel, honey.[ snickers ] i checked into room 930. odd choice, huh ? i don't know howto say this, jeff, except to justsay it right out. so, uh, i'll say it.they do not want to air it. b&w may havethreatened litigation.
cbs is on the block. but you, i mean--i know how you-- no, what ? i do not thinkthat you know for mewhat it is to walk in my shoes. for my kidsto have seen it, for them to know why i'veput them through what i did. the public airingof that, the testamentto why i did what i did. you're telling me it's notgonna see the light of day ? jeff.
mrs. wigand ? it hasn't been mrs. wigandfor some time. i'm an investigator, and i waswondering if i could ask you acouple of questions about that. all right. um, seven monthsafter we were married, we found out that i hadmultiple sclerosis. [ man ]and you had a daughter, diane-- [ man #2 ]tommy sandefur told me himself. he's not going to allow brown& williamson to be demonizedto the american public.
so i told peter jennings.and i-- hold on. [ man on tv ]you had multiple sclerosis.you had a small child to raise. uh, mention that partin the executive summaryand in the chapters. first wifeand estrangement of daughter. so i was telling pete,i said, "you've beentaken in by this guy." the divorce was somethingthat we both wanted. he's a shoplifter. he's a convictedshoplifter. so, um, what are yougonna do ?
what do you thinki'm gonna do ?quit in protest ? i'm not gonna do that. you're taking "no"for an answer ? no, i'm not gonna take"no" for an answer. no. you're not ?what are you doing ? i'm staying right here,doing my job. fightingto get my show on the air. you don't like it ?hey, i tell you what ? fire my ass. end up in a high-profilelawsuit with lowell,the first amendment martyr ?
i don't think so.take a look at this. this is a summary of a dossierthat's being prepared. he wouldn't lieabout his whole life. who's gonna believe himabout anything he says ? the wall street journal is doing a major story, and, i think, the post. you backed the wrong horse. the version withoutthe interview is gonna airthe week after next. what was that about ? get me wigand.
what the fuck is this ?fuck ! you never told me you weremarried before. that you had a daughter. how is thatany of your business ? that is not something that you people need to know. oh, you know what we door do not need to know ? - since when have you become a media expert ?- what do you wanna do, lowell ? look up my ass too ? oh, for god's sake.
you're not even on thisanymore. what do you care ? jeff, wake the fuck up ! everybody is on the line here.if they catch you in a lie, they can paint everything withthat brush, you understand ? everything you say. i told the truth. everything you say.and i can't defend you, man, with one hand tiedbehind my back... because you keep from mewhat they can discover.
and they will discovereverything. believe me. i was young ! i was young ! confused. we didn'thandle it the right way. - she sued you for back payments of child support ?- she did not sue me. we had a disputeover money. i settled it.she dropped the complaint. - any other questions ?- yes. did you lie... about being on the americanjudo team in the olympics ? - what ?- some public relations guy... got hold of a tapeof an interviewwhere you're saying...
you were on the americanjudo team in the olympics. what kind of shit is this ?i-- i was-- i was not onthe team. i sparredwith the olympic team. okay ? all right.abc telemarketing company ? abc-- abc telemarketing company. the can opener !a 39.95 can opener ! i cancelled payment.it was junk !
you ever bounce a check,lowell ? you ever lookat another woman's tits ? you ever cheat a littleon your taxes ? whose life, if you lookat it under a microscope,doesn't have any flaws ? well, that'sthe whole point, jeffrey.that's the whole point. anyone's, everyone's.they are gonna look underevery rock, dig up every flaw,every mistake you've ever made. they are going to distortand exaggerate everythingyou've ever done, man. don't you understand ? what does this have to dowith my testimony ?
- that's not the point--- what does it have to do with my testimony ? - i told the truth ! it's true and provable !- it's not about-- that's not the fucking point,whether you toldthe truth or not ! [ bell ringing ] i gotta teach class. i gotta go. - i gotta teach class.- and i gotta refute every fucking accusation made... in this report beforethe wall street journal runs. i am trying to protect you,man. i hope you improveyour batting average.
[ dialing phone ] [ woman ] they'recutting the interest rate,and i have that great feature-- it's lowell. are you guys planningto do a piece on a formertop executive in big tobacco ? you caught mein a news meeting. are you, are you not, charlie ? you bet we are,and i can't talk to you now. we gotta hook up. sure. where ?
p.j.'s. i'll be there. [ siren wailing ] yeah, i got it.five hundred pages of it. they looked in every cornerof this guy's life,from the spousal abuse charge, to shoplifting,to a traffic ticket he got oncefor running a red light. it's terry lenzner's outfit,i.g.i. jack, listen to me. their strategy: discreditthis guy, ruin his reputationin the wall street journal... and then nobodywill ever listen to whathe's got to say about tobacco.
he's dead unless i canget this thing knocked down. make it evena little more attractive. i don't know if you'reever gonna get paid. - is there any truth to any of it ?- that's a good question. "is there any truth to any of it ?"i doubt it. what's the deadline ? soon. - fax me the summary.- that's great, jack. [ crowd chattering ]
hey. how are you ? hey, listen. hey. i hear you guys are sittingon something sensationalover there. really ?hi, june. oh, hi, baby. catch you later. okay. take care. when's your deadline ? monday.
push it. what ?forget it. it's a smear campaign,charlie. it's drawn froma selectively circulated-- oh, yeah. real selective. about ashard to get ahold ofas the manhattan phone book. well, it's authoritative...and overwhelmingly documented. and it's bullshit. and ifi'm right, are you gonna put... the journal's reputation behinda story that's gonnablow up in your face ?
i'll take a look at what you gotbut i'm not moving any deadlinesbecause you say so. are you all right ? [ woman ]officer muravchick ? thank you. officer muravchick,how are you ? i'm sandra sutherland. how do you do ? fine, thank you.i'm doing a background check. mind if i sit down ?
your honor,could i have a word with you ? you presided in a disputeover support payments. jeffrey wigand ?yeah, i cited him. cbs is under criticismbecause the cbs news program,60 minutes, will not be presentingan interview-- what the hellare you doing ? what does it look likei'm doing ? i'm editing. no, no, no that.i'm talking aboutthe associated press. they got the story thatwe pulled this interview,and they talked to mike and i.
did you tell themthat we were lying ? no !i should have. i told them i disagreedwith you, mike and kluster... that this segmentis as good as the original. i'm not lying for you. i'm not gonna shut up for you. not on any of it. hey, i'm not gonna fire you. okay ?take a vacation.now ! lowell ? look, i've decidedto preface sunday's show.
i did three minuteson the evening news.you'll want to see it. where are you going ? i've been banished... in lieu of being fired. i took off on tisch. i took off on corporate. they'll know they're not, uh,going to see everythingon sunday night. i don't know. how does thatget wigand on the air ? do me a favor,will you ? spare me. for god's sake,get in the real world.what do you think ?
i'm going to resign in protestto force it on the air ? the answer's no.i don't plan to spendthe end of my days... wandering in the wildernessof national public radio. that decisioni've already made. [ woman on tv ]this sunday, wallacewill broadcast a report... on the tobacco industry,including the tough tacticstobacco companies employ... to keep a lid on informationthat might be damaging. is there informationthat people should have... that they're not going to havebecause you're not going tobroadcast this interview ?
- yes.- today, cbs news president eric kluster... defended the network's decisionnot to broadcast... key portionsof the controversial interview. mr. kluster said, quote,"the atmosphere is tougher than ever." - where's the rest ?- [ woman on tv ] dan. where the hell's the rest ? - [ dan ] nebraska football fans voiced their criticism--- you cut it ! coming up inbernard goldberg's america. - you cut the guts out of what i said !- it was a time consideration--
time ? bullshit !you corporate lackey. who told you your incompetentlittle fingers have therequisite skills to edit me ? i'm trying to band-aida situation here,and you're too dim-- mike. mike. mike. "mike" ? mike ! try "mr. wallace." we work in the same corporation.doesn't mean we workin the same profession. now, now what areyou going to do now ?you going to finesse me ? lawyer me some more ?i've been in this profession50 fucking years !
you and the peopleyou work for are destroyingthe most respected, the highest rated, the mostprofitable show on this network. here. these aretheir leads, their sources. i want you to haveyour reporters-- suein hwang and milo geyelin. have them maketheir own calls. they'll find that these sourceshave a different story thanthe one that's in the dossier. push the deadline,charlie. i'll push it for a week.i want milo and sueinto go through it.
what do you wantto buy him for a gift ? mmm, he's into kind of little cars that, um-- that remote control thing ? all right.we'll go do that tomorrow. [ man on tv ]the 63-36 vote was three shy ofthe two-thirds needed to pass-- mom.there's dad. yes ? - on the tv.- [ man on tv ] ...dating back to 1986. the most recent troublefor wigand occurred here--
and in local news,wlko, louisville, has gained accessto a 500-page dossier... on former brown & williamsonresearch head, jeffrey wigand, detailing chargesof shoplifting andfailing to pay child support. wigand is currently teachingchemistry and japanese... at thedupont manual high school. maria. [ ticking ] [ wallace ]thousands of documents frominside the tobacco industry...
have surfacedover the past year. documents thatappear to confirm... what a formeru.s. surgeon general... and the current head of thefood and drug administrationhave been saying. we learned of a tobacco insiderwho could tell us... whether or notthe tobacco industry hasbeen leveling with the public. that insider was formerly... a highly-placed executivewith a tobacco company. but we cannot broadcastwhat critical informationabout tobacco,
addiction and public healthhe might be able to offer. why ? because he had to signa confidentiality agreement... with the tobacco companyhe worked for. the management of cbshas told us... that knowinghe had that agreement... if we were to broadcastan interview with him, cbs could be faced witha multi-billion dollar lawsuit. the fact is, we are not allowedeven to mention his name... or the name of the companyhe worked for.
and, of course, we cannotshow you his face. and your confidentialityagreement with--[ beep ] is still in force ? [ voice over ]yes, it is. so what are they gonna do ? sue you for making this appearance ? [ voice over ]i would bet on it. [ wallace ]the former executive hasreason to bet on being sued, for major cigarettemanufacturers-- [ phone beeping ]
[ wallace ]you disappeared on me. how long you staying ? i disappeared on you ? all right.what did you think ? i think it wasa disgrace. [ man ]still no answer. get me the manager's office. david. david, you've gota call on line four. i think youbetter take it.
this is david mcdougal.how can i help you ? mr. mcdougal,my name is lowell bergman.i'm a producer for 60 minutes. i'm concerned for a friendof mine who's stayingat your hotel right now. mr. wigand ? i-i think i needto call the police.he won't respond. no, no, don't call the police.just tell him i'm on the phonewith you. my name is lowell bergman.just tell him that. mr. wigand, mr. bergmanis on the telephone. did he hear you ?
[ phone beeps ] you're breaking up.i can't hear you. what about now ? hello ?can you hear me now ? ♪♪ [ continues ] what's happening ? he doesn't seemto be listening. all right.now listen to me. i want you--i want you to tell him... in these words:get on the fucking phone.
i-i can't say that. no, you can. tell himto get on the fucking phone ! he told me to tell youto get on the... fucking phone ! ♪♪ [ ends ] you manipulated me into this. that's bullshit, jeff. you greased the rails. i greased the rails for a guywho wanted to say "yes."i helped him to say "yes." that's all.you're not a robot, jeff.
all right ? you got a mindof your own, don't you ? "up to you, jeffrey. "that's the power you have, jeffrey. vital inside informationthe american publicneed to know." lowell bergman-- the hotshotwho never met a sourcehe couldn't turn around. i fought for you,and i still fight for you ! you fought for me ? you manipulated me... into where i am now--staring at the brown& williamson building ! it's all darkexcept the tenth floor.that's the legal department.
that's where theyfuck with my life. jeffrey, where you goingwith this ? so, where you going ? you are... important... to a lot of people,jeffrey. you think about that. you think about them. i'm running outof heroes, man. guys like youare in short supply.
yeah, guys like you too. where are you, anyway ? i'm on a leave of absence.forced vacation. you try and have a good time. yeah, i will. i'm lowell bergman.i'm from 60 minutes. you know,you take the 60 minutes... out of that sentence,nobody returns your phone calls. maybe wigand's right. maybe i'm hooked. what am i hooked on ?
the rush of 60 minutes ? what the hell for ?"infotainment" ! it's so fucking useless,all of it. so it's a big countrywith a free press. you cango and work somewhere else. "free press" ?the press is free. for anyone who owns one.larry tisch has a free press. get some perspective, lowell. i got perspective. no, you do not.
from my perspective, what's been going onand what i've been doingis ridiculous. it's half-measures. you're not listening. really know what you'regoing to do before you do it. [ beeping stops ] [ debbie ]i've got richard scruggson the phone. patch him through. well, lowell, you arenot gonna believe this.
the governor ofmississippi is suinghis own attorney general... to abandon litigationagainst big tobacco. oh, good. but now that the versionwithout jeff ran, what's the chance of gettinghis interview on the air ? yeah, i'm here. what chance is thereof getting jeff's interviewon the air ? less than great. i'd be lying to youif i did not tell you...
how important it wasin the court of public opinion. i'd be lying to youif i didn't tell you... i'm about out of moves,dick. all right.see ya. [ doorbell jangling ] [ doorbell jangling ] so, what are you folksdoing... here in lincoln ? - geology survey.- geology ? yeah ?really ?
how about you ? i work for cbs news. oh, yeah ? [ doorbell jangling, door closes ] just ran intotwo of your geologists. geologists whose handsaren't all chewed up. lowell, do not...screw this up. we are a week awayfrom an arrest. - so i'll hold it. and ?- we'll give you a heads-up before we launch.
- how long ?- three hours. you got a deal. [ wallace ] ...likethe testimony before congressof dr. wigand's former boss, brown & williamson'schief executive officer,thomas sandefur. all of us did. there was thiswhole line of people, part of the reason i'm hereis that i felt... that their representation-- ...can be more rapidly absorbedin the lung...
jim, it's lowell. - hey, where are you ?- remember that night at p.j.'s ? you asked me if we weresitting on something explosive.well, we're not sitting on it. cbs corporate leaned oncbs news which yankedan interview we did... with a top-rankingtobacco scientist,corporate officer. they're trying toclose down the story. you mean, 60 minutesis letting cbs corporate... decide what isor is not news ? what's wallace thinkabout this ? or hewitt, or--
how prominent ?what kind of placement ? oh, come on, lowell.this is the new york times.i don't know. well, until you do,all i can tell you iswhat you already know. they will notair an interview. call me back in ten. debbie, it's me. hi.what time is it ? oh, it's late. that i know.when are you coming back ?
i can't get out of heretill mid-morning.i'll be in tomorrow night. listen, could youcall a number for me ?it's in mississippi. okay.hold on a second. what is it ? all right, lowell.page one. editorial'sinterested. let's talk. here's how it works.you ask me questions.i tell you if you're wrong. lowell, you sureyou want to do this ? hey, it doesn't work,you've burned your bridges, man. you ready ?
okay.about this whistle-blower, did mike and don go alongwith the corporate decision ? - lowell ?- did i tell you you were wrong ? no. um, i'm assumingthe cave-in begins... with the threat of litigationfrom big tobacco. are we talking, uh-- are we talkingbrown & williamson here ? [ wallace ]did i get you up ? no, i usually sit aroundmy hotel room dressed like thisat 5:30 in the morning,
sleepy look on my face. how many shows havewe done ? huh ? come on. how many ? oh, lots. but in all that time,mike, did you ever get off a plane,walk into a room... and find thata source for a storychanged his mind ? lost his heart ?walked out on us ? not one fucking time.you wanna know why ?
i see a rhetorical questionon the horizon. i'm gonna tell you why. because when i tell someonei'm gonna do something,i deliver. oh, how fortunate i amto have lowell bergman'smoral tutelage... to point me down the shiningpath, to show me the way. oh, please, mike. you give me a break. i never left a sourcehung out to dry ever. abandoned.not till right fucking now.
when i came on this job,i came with my word intact. i'm gonna leavewith my word intact.fuck the rules of the game ! hell, you're supposedto know me, mike. what the helldid you expect ? you expect me to lie down ? back off ?or get over it ? in the real world,when you get to where i am,there are other considerations. like what ?corporate responsibility ? what, are we talkingcelebrity here ?
i'm not-- i'm not talking aboutcelebrity, vanity, cbs. i'm-- i'm-- i'm talking about... when you're nearerthe end of your lifethan the beginning. and what do you thinkyou think about then ?the future ? "in the future, i'm gonna do this, become that" ? what future ? no. what you think is... "how will i be regarded in the end...
after i'm gone ?" oh, along the way, i supposei made some minor impact. i did irangate,the ayatollah, malcolm x, martin luther king,saddam, sadat, etc., etc. i showed them thieves in suits. i spent a lifetime building... all that. but history only remembers mostwhat you did last. and should that befronting a segment... that allowed a tobacco giantto crash this network--
does it give someone... at my time of life pause ? mike, in my-- you and ihave been doing this... together for 14 years. this is today's new york times. in it is the wholesordid story... of what went oninside our shop.
and in the editorial,it accuses us... of betraying the legacy of edward r. murrow. [ door opens ] they conclude most of itseems pretty unsubstantiated. you're full of shit,john. [ debbie ]front page.there's a picture of wigand. article's entitled"getting personal." byline to suein hwangand milo geyelin. wait. hold ona second, lowell.
yeah, i'll seeif i can find him. yeah, hold on.don's looking for you. good. the subheading is"brown & williamson... has a 500-page dossierattacking chief critic." it quotes richard scruggscalling it the worst kind... of an organized smear campaignagainst a whistle-blower. "a close look at the file and independent research by this newspaper... "into its key claim indicates that many of the serious allegations...
against mr. wigandare backed by scantor contradictory evidence." [ bergman ]this news divisionhas been vilified... in the new york times, in print, on television... for cavingto corporate interests ! the new york times ran ablow-by-blow of what we talkedabout behind closed doors. - you fucked us !- no ! you fucked you ! don't invert stuff. big tobacco tried to smearwigand. you bought it. the wall street journal--here-- not exactly...
a bastion ofanti-capitalist sentiment, refutes big tobacco'ssmear campaign... as the lowest formof character assassination. and now, even now,when every word... of what wigand has saidon our show is printed, the entiredeposition of his testimonyin a court of law... in the state of mississippi,the cat... totally out of the bag, you're stillstanding here debating.
don, what the hell else do you need ? mike, you tell him. you fucked up, don. it's old news.stick with me, like always.we'll be okay. these things havea half-life of 15 minutes. no, that's fame.fame has a 15-minute half-life. infamy lastsa little longer. we caved. it's foolish. it's simply dead wrong. now this is what we'regoing to do. we're goingover to black rock--
okay ? so let's get back towork. now what we saw there... was two potassium chlorate... would yield two potassiumchloride, also a solid-- they cancelled the 6:00.i don't know why. i-- i'm on the 8:10.i should be home... 9:30. i'll see you then.i love you. bye. oh.thanks, dad. thanks. [ ticking ]
[ ticking continues ] cbs management wouldn'tlet us broadcast... our original storyand our interviewwith jeffrey wigand... because they were worriedabout the possibility... of a multi-billion dollarlawsuit against us... for tortious interference. but now things have changed. what dr. wigand told uswas that his former-- [ no dialog ]
[ moore ]this industry, in my opinion,is an industry... that has perpetratedthe biggest fraud onthe american public in history. they've killed millionsand millions of-- [ wallace on tv ] you wish you hadn't blown the whistle ? if you ask me... i promised you a three-hourheads up. here it is. have a camera crew standing byin helena, montana on tuesday, and i'll give youa three-hour head start. all right ?by the way, that was a hellof a good show tonight.
thank you, bill. you won. what did i win ? [ man on tv ] reportingfrom cbs world headquartersin new york, good afternoon. there has beena major break in the caseof the so-called unabomber. cbs news has learnedthat a remote homesite... outside of lincoln, montana... has been under f.b.i.surveillance for several weeks. [ woman ]great, lowell.
thanks for this. you know, we beat everybody.abc, nbc, cnn. mike. that canada story... still interest you ? everythinginterests me. uh, i quit, mike. bullshit. it all worked out.
you came out okayin the end. i did ? what do i tell a sourceon the next tough story ? "hang in with us. you'll be fine. maybe." what got broken here... doesn't goback together again. so, uh--